Have you ever noticed?...

Are you sure that really happened? Witnesses to UFO events were purposely murdered for seeing or reporting a UFO? Now claiming that evidence has been stolen. Well we all know why that is done don't we?

I'm not saying deluded. I suggested that their comments have been misrepresented. A good example is Apollo 11 and them seeing a panel nearby. Despite Aldrin saying it was not a UFO he is often claimed to have seen this as a UFO.

Actually there are cases where air traffic controllers have given Venus permission to land. President Carter reported Venus as a UFO. So 2 of your group definitely made a mistake in confusing Venus with something unusual.

 

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Stereologist, what do you think about what i said about the distances needed to travel from point A to point B?

 

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I wasn't sure what you meant. Are you suggesting that it is too far for an alien to get to earth from nearby stars?

 

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The most interesting aspect concerning the myth of skepticism is it's admitted indecisive rambling nature.

"It must have been this." "It must have been that."

"Oh that, well that's...that's easily explained by that which we cannot begin to duplicate, but we are certain that we can explain it all adequately nonetheless"

What skeptics can't ever seem to do is answer questions with factual answers. They also seem to be very good "weather men"

"It's going to be partly sunny and 70 degrees today" Trouble is that they are the first to admit that in the name of holy scientific pursuits, and certainly not due to their own personal disqualifications relating to accuracy mind you, they quaintly remind everyone to bring along their rain coats "just in case".

The trouble with skeptics is that "theirs" is a perpetual front. They'll talk all day like they "know" when in all reality their only hope of winning a debate is to convince you that in fact, you don't know what they don't so the "fact" remains, you're wrong.

Truth be known, Skeptics are primarily a self important bunch that cling to uncertainty as if it were the truth. By their sacred oath they are sworn to uphold doubt. Truly, they are the utmost champions of their noble cause.

 

Isn't UFO a bureacratic term for unidentified flying object? I don't anyone in their right mind will deny that unidentified flying objects exist.

 

yes.

 

to add to that, under what circumstances would it even be possible?

 

Nope. It was the original term used to refer to "flying saucers" by a member of the air force military.

Call 'em what you like. Truth is, they're whatever you want to call them. They are that which we can't touch and that's precisely what scares the self important poop out of most skeptics. They come and go with complete impunity.

Do you know that we in fact do possess evidence? Ever read up on the piece of debris from Roswell? How about the hundreds of trace evidence cases where the soil can still be tested as being effected to this day?

Why did just about every astronaut in the 60s/70s claim to have witnessed non human originated technology during their experiences in space and in the air space surrounding the earth?

 

here is part of the problem:

http://www.webmesh.co.uk/overlord/travel2.html

another thing is the number of these sightings. so if you multiply the instances described in the link by a few thousand then you have to conclude that someone is either being fooled or lying. probably fooled.

 

This is not the stupidest comment in the forum but its close.

Wasn't much there was there?

Circular burns?

This is simply a lie.

The problem with you electrafixtion is that you have a close minded need to see zebras. It must be a zebra! Can't be a horse!

Why am I a skeptic? Because the evidence is not there for aliens in space craft.

 

No John99 distance is not a problem. We are on the verge of being able to build machines that can fix themselves and to in some sense be fairly autonomous. So if we are able to send a craft out into the universe to explore then we could explore the universe even if it took millions of years for a response to come back. Living creatures do not have to be a part of the package. In this scenario, which I did not invent, a few craft are sent to neighboring stars where planets are detected. When the craft reach their destinations they create more of themselves that continue onto other destinations and also send a craft back home.

 

do you have any links that detail this?

 

I take it you're an expert in stupidity.

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Wasn't much there was there?

WRONG.



Circular burns?

WRONG



This is simply a lie.

For your contention, the burden of proof is on you then. So in fact, you have yet to do anything but slander me. Your statement is NOT enough to build credibility. Is this a case for your laziness or just more skepticism in practice?

The problem with you electrafixtion is that you have a close minded need to see zebras. It must be a zebra! Can't be a horse!

ah, so you admit that even though UFOs (non human technology) do sometimes turn out to be man made aircraft, UFOs (non human technology) do in fact exist!

I just knew you'd come around. Bravo!

What you want is control. Just because you can't have it is no reason to make any claim whatsoever. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

 

You lied when you said that astronauts had seen non human originated technology. That's a lie. Simply a lie.

You are a liar to claim I said non human technology exists. Great 2 severe lies in one post.

 

John99 the idea of sending out autonomous craft that replicate and explore the universe is one of the older arguments that intelligent life is rare in the universe. The idea is that we would have found evidence on our planet knowing how old the universe is. What is 100 million years in a universe measured in billions of years? No link. Read about this idea at least 25 years ago.

 

You're weak AND quick tempered. Those are NOT the traits of an intelligent man or woman.

Not only did you misquote me, you offered no reason or fact in refute.

weak

 

You posted lies. You are a liar and your points are trite and without substance. That is the traits of a close minded fool.

Post the names and circumstances under which many astronauts observed non human originated technology.

 

You Sir/Mam, are a PERFECT skeptic. A blow hard who has not a twitter of truth to offer. Just what you yourself claim to be. Nothing else can possibly be, correct? You have called men so much greater than yourself liars because you are a self important and ill justified critic with no more credentials than your slander contains. Because you cannot rise above your self doubt, your only hope is to attempt to infect others with your own malady.

Until you have PROVED that these men that are among the most qualified avionics experts in the history of human scientific advancement are liars, you Sir, are nothing short of an empty, worthless and self aggrandizing blow hard.

Also: QUIT expecting others to do your work for you. Get off your ass and do a little research. You might be surprised what you find.

 

Electrafixtion you are a liar. End of story. You told the lies not me. Just because I pointed out that you are a liar says nothing about me, but about you and you alone.

Trying to weasel out of posted the evidence for your asinine claims. Typical liar.

 

is it?

major gordon "gordo" cooper:
On May 15, 1963 he shot into space in a Mercury capsule for a 22 orbit journey around the world. During the final orbit, Major Gordon Cooper told the tracking station at Muchea (near Perth Australia) that he could see a glowing, greenish object ahead of him quickly approaching his capsule. The UFO was real and solid, because it was picked up by Muchea's tracking radar. Cooper's sighting was reported by the National Broadcast Company, which was covering the flight step by step; but when Cooper landed, reporters were told that they would not be allowed to question him about the UFO sighting.

Major Cooper also testified before the United Nations: "I believe that these extra-terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets... Most astronauts were reluctant to discuss UFOs."

"For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public. Why? Because authority is afraid that people may think of God knows what kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means."

donald k. slayton:
"I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high." As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, grey and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me - and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."

robert white:
On July 17, 1962 Major Robert White reported a UFO during his fifty-eight-mile high flight of an X-15. Major White reported: "I have no idea what it could be. It was grayish in color and about thrity to forty feet away."
Then according to a Time Magazine article, Major White exclaimed over the radio: "There ARE things out there! There absolutely is!"

joseph walker:
On May 11, 1962 NASA pilot Joseph Walker said that one of his tasks was to detect UFOs during his X-15 flights. He had filmed five or six UFOs during his record breaking fifty-mile-high flight in April, 1962. It was the second time he had filmed UFOs in flight. During a lecture at the Second National Conference on the Peaceful Uses of Space Research in Seattle, Washigton he said: "I don't feel like speculating about them. All I know is what appeared on the film which was developed after the flight." - Joseph Walker To date none of those films has been released to the public for viewing.

maurice chatelain:
In 1979 Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater. Chatelain believes that some UFOs may come from our own solar system, specifically Titan. "The encounter was common knowledge in NASA, but nobody has talked about it until now." "...all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence."

scott carpenter:
"At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs."

sources:
"Great Mysteries: UFOs" by Robert Jackson
"Above Top Secret" by Timothy Good
"The UFO Encyclopedia" by John Spencer
"Genesis Revisited" by Zacharia Setchin