"Extreme Female Mind" (Type E or Empathic). Is there such a disorder?

do you have a link to the full journal artical in its origional form?
i would love to see there method, especially how they ruled out external factors such as socialisation

 

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cheers VI for not conforming to stupid sterio types.

 

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The link's in post 14 - but it's more of an introductory piece.
I think there may be further links at the bottom of the page, or at least references.

 

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I seriously hope I have a daughter like you.

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And that is from the ultimate girly girl.

 

i skimmed your artical but i couldnt find any mention of specific resurch on the subject. Just an opinion by someone working with the autistic

 

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What about you? Did you feel pressured to be a girly girl or is that your natural personality? Or a bit of both?

 

I think there's a LOT more to being a woman than the shaving/dress/make-up thing. I suspect it's the smallest part. That's more about being a girl.

Shit, look at the make-up/fashion of upper class men in the 18th century. The behavior seems to kind of remain the same.

 

VI i love the assumptions that women are more empathetic concidering both my sister and I both work in the health sector. Of course she is a proffessional torturer (physio

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) and im going to be an ambo (we aliviate pain and suffering rather than CAUSE it

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[Edit] Asquard, re your post 26:- [EndEdit]

It did say "in the lab".
You'd probably have to track down published work by Simon Baron-Cohen.

 

Yup. That's my logic too. Those are just things that society assigns to women.

If we had a culture that said picking your nose all the time was feminine, it would probably be accepted wisdom that picking your nose a lot was caused by high estrogen. There would probably be a ton of pop-science books saying that picking your nose was an innate female-brain behaviour, and girls who didn't do it would be constantly met with comments like 'What? You don't pick your nose?? You have too much testosterone in your blood!'

Obviously the nose picking things was just random and semi humorous, but I think that socially conditioned behavioirs do get classed as innate because they're taught from so early on, and enforced rigidly.

 

Again, I used the phrase so people would get the idea...maybe I should have just said extreme Type E instead of female.

I know that's not the case. Hell I have male friends who are really good at listening and taking care of me when I'm low, and I know females who are about as people orientated as the metal rod in my ear cartilage.

 

I wasn't at all this way as a kid. My mother tried when I was 6 or 7 to get me to wear a dress. Wore one to the brother's wedding. Didn't pick one up again until I was 20. I fell in love with fashion on my own body for the first time. Love them now. I didn't like make-up as a teen. My dad was less concerned than Mom, except on make-up and hair. I've always been a freak over shaving.

For me, being feminine and enjoying feminine things really got triggered by realizing it suited me. I never liked sports, but I had such boyish interests that I always felt I couldn't explore it. And I was very academically oriented.
I still don't like painting my nails because of my hobbies.

I feel like some of my behavior, like my strong maternal instinct and how I relate to people, is very much my personality. That hasn't changed, and I suspect anyone who talked to me when I was younger would have picked up on that. The part that can't go two days without shaving her legs and gets excited that her mother got her a like-new Dooney & Burke at a yardsale is very learned.

 

I feel divided on that one (maternal behaviour). I'm about 30% maternal, and 70% cold, mechanical girl. I sometimes have a feeling that I'd like a baby (usually related to my menstrual cycle). The rest of the time the idea of having to be a nurturer all the time just irritates me.

 

I think men certainly can listen and empathize well. I know some wonderful men. However, I do think women usually have a different biological reaction. In talking with my brother who's like that, he doesn't experience the same amount of "worry" and just this overall wash of what the person is feeling so that it affects him in the same way. He wishes to give them comfort just as much, but he's more oriented toward "finding a solution" immediately. The solution comes before the comfort or seem to often be what he thinks is the same thing. I tend not to think that way.

 

Yeah that's how I am. My urge when I see someone upset is to find a solution, to make that problem go away.

 

I think you're ahead of where I was. I swear to God, and I've talked about this with girlfriends, you go through something in your twenties where you get really tolerant of kids/babies and want to nurture them as opposed to smashing them into a wall. That's not a hard and fast rule, but applies to most of the women I know.

 

I tend to think until the person who's upset calms down and gets it out, it can't be worked on, and if I'm hurting for them, I need to let us both blow off steam before we work on it.

 

takandjive there is indirect evidence which doesnt really surport that. Studies on depression and suicide concistantly find that those who score greater on the empathy scale are more likly to suffer depression and commit suicide. From memory rates of depression are relitivly equal between the sexes but rates of suicide are alot higher amongst men. draw your own conclusions

 

I can understand that because I have that element in my psyche too. I hope I will get to an age though where I am 100% sure that I want kids, and that my nurturing instinct isn't just the product of a hormonal surge.

I think that's the wise solution. Too many people insist on talking things out right away, whilte emotions are running high, and all that happens is more drama. Whereas if you go for a walk or just take some time alone to calm down, it's much easier and less stressful to talk things out.