Paedophiles - where do they come from?

I believe it depends on a few things; informed consent, the law, societal mores and the particulars of the case.

I brought it up only because what he said affected my view on the issue.

I think a better question is whether it is harmful in all circumstances.

Actually, I did, although apparently not to your satisfaction.

I have answered your question. If you don't like my answer, I'm ok with that.

Firstly, I am not 'proud' per se. I simply don't always agree with the majority. I prefer using logic to a 'follow the crowd' mentality, that's all.

Secondly, I am not 'worming' my way out of anything. If you don't understand my answer, then specify what about it you don't understand.

 

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Scott, try a "yes" or "no" answer. It's that kind of question. Lucy, why don't you repost those questions very clearly. Then I'll answer, so Scott can see a clear model. Okay?

 

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Here's the wiki review of it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmful_to_Minors

I don't think the topic is really all that different; it all has to do with when an individual is considered old enough to do various things; someone hear mentioned children aren't allowed to go to the army until a certain age as well; is it 18? Anyway, what I love about the term minor is that it's so ambiguous; it highlights my point. A minor is someone who is below the age of consent; it varies from state to state and from country to country. I personally believe that we should base sexual permissions on knowledge, not something as arbitrary as a certain age. There are some physical size limitations that must be taken into account when dealing with certain sexual interactions, but there are many sexual interactions that are unnafected by size constraints.

I would contend that some people also don't realize when no one is being taken advantage of

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. I think that separating lovers is something that should be considered cautiously, not something that should be arbitrarily decided based upon a certain age differential.

 

No. However, that's not the only definition of child. If everyone would settle on it, it would be wonderful, but I doubt that it will happen soon.

 

Scott: believe it depends on a few things; informed consent, the law, societal mores and the particulars of the case.

Well Scott a child cannot consent and we know what the law and society says. AGAIN I ask you

if a parent for example allows an adult to have sex with a child under 12 its ok?

You have opinions right? I mean you can answer for yourself without knowing about the law and society? I know I could.

Scott: I brought it up only because what he said affected my view on the issue.

You didn't tell me your views so AGAIN I ask you

Do you need a law to tell you its wrong to have sex with a child under the age of 12?

Scott: I think a better question is whether it is harmful in all circumstances.

When can it not be harmful to fondle or engage in oral sex with a child under 12?

Scott:I have answered your question. If you don't like my answer, I'm ok with that

No you didn't. If you said yes I think oral sex with a child under 12 is ok or no I don't think oral sex with a child...sorry 'minor' under 12 is ok. That would be an answer. All you've done is take long round about ways of skirting a straight answer and I know you are quite confident of your beliefs so I am sure you will just answer the question.

Scott: Firstly, I am not 'proud' per se.
Secondly, I am not 'worming' my way out of anything. If you don't understand my answer, then specify what about it you don't understand.

To be a maverick isn't to be proud it simply means someone who exhibits independence of thought and action. I cannot say I don't understand or understand your answer when you simply don't seem to know how to answer these questions. I am not asking you about what society things, about social mores or laws, I am simply asking what YOU think:

Do you need a law to tell you its wrong to have sex with a child under the age of 12?

The others are of course above. Its not a big deal. Any member here could simply give an answer. For someone who reads so many books on this issue and who has so much to say about should be able to answer these very simple questions.

So I wait for your response.

 

Do you need a law to tell you its wrong to have sex with a child under the age of 12?

Do you see sex with children under the age of 12 as being 'the thing' in the future? A kind of sexual revolution?

If a kiss is different so what about oral sex performed on an adult? Fondling? All at the age of 9.

When can it not be harmful to fondle or engage in oral sex with a child under 12?

 

Did you read the post before the one you're responding to here? I'll quote the relevant section, with the most important part in bold:

 

Post #106 was the last post I have posted for you.

 

Oh, I know that that's the type of answer she wants. But I don't believe that the correct answer is a yes or a no, which is why I didn't answer it in that way. Again, if you or Lucy don't understand my answer, feel free to ask me questions concerning it.

tak, while you may believe that the question should be answered with 'yes' or 'no', this doesn't mean that that either of those are, in fact, the right answer. However, if you were to answer the question in such a fashion, perhaps I might be inspired to comment on it. Also, if you were to elaborate on your 'yes' or 'no' answer, it might be beneficial in explaining your stance a bit more and I may be able to comment on your answer.

 

Lucy: Do you need a law to tell you its wrong to have sex with a child under the age of 12?

Tak: No. The lack of maturity tells me not to have sex with them.

Lucy: Do you see sex with children under the age of 12 as being 'the thing' in the future? A kind of sexual revolution?

Tak: No. I think you might see a greater acceptance of teenagers being sexually active with each other and not being ashamed, and that would be a sexual revolution. I think it would be a good one.

Lucy: If a kiss is different so what about oral sex performed on an adult? Fondling? All at the age of 9.

Tak: There's nothing different because I don't think a child knows how to handle sexual boundaries. That's why same age peer sexuality is so important. We need to learn from our equals how to respect their limits and enforce ours. That's hard with an authority figure.

Lucy: When can it not be harmful to fondle or engage in oral sex with a child under 12?

Tak: I can't see a time when it wouldn't be.

Your turn, Scott.

 

Check this out Bells:

http://tr.truveo.com/Letourneau-and-husband-on-first-anniversary/id/180144024974292852

 

There is no right or wrong answer Scott there is only what you think and believe. Yet you couldn't come out in the open with those answers. They are simple yes or no with an elaboration or explanation here and there. And I am not expecting anything but an answer and its quite interesting that you either

A. Cannot do that

or

B. Are afraid to

I think the answers are both A & B.

I mean how can you implicate yourself with an open and honest answer

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Are you sure? Even if this was the case, however, I would contend that it was only a legal crime, not a moral crime.

What I'd really like to hear is why she decided to do it. Perhaps it wasn't exactly planned the first time and the idea of consequences was poorly known but the second time... Anyway, as I have mentioned before, her approach is not mine. When it comes to the law, I prefer to disagree with it then break it. But then, she hasn't broken it in a while either, I believe; she did it with the guy she later married and hasn't done it since.

Did she? I believe I heard that her husband moved away and obtained sole custody, but I'm not sure.

She did what she felt was best at the time. To learn more of her reasoning, we'd probably have to read her book.

Your fancy footwork doesn't fool me. You can't deny that society is the one who took her away from him. And as soon as she was released, she made a particular point of seeing him again -despite- society not allowing her to.

I think a better question is, why did he do it? Were the societal pressures of having a taboo relationship with his teacher a factor? Also, what example is society setting by removing a lover simply because they don't fit arbitrary criteria?

I see that you have a hard time accepting the idea that they fell in love with each other. But honestly, I really don't think that lust would have lasted through all that they've been through.

What message does society send to children when they teach them that sex is 'bad'? Is sex inherently bad or harmful as many schools teach? Mary Kay Letourneau is clearly an exception to the rule; most teachers don't have sex with their students. But the issues that it raised, I believe, are good ones and they are issues that I hope that their children as well as the rest of their generation deal with in a more effective manner then what I believe are the very flawed age of consent laws.

I'm not sure how aware her children are of what she did in this regard, but assuming they do eventually find out about it, I believe it will give them something to think about atleast.

His parents helped out, but if the mother of those children had been around to care for them as well, things may have been easier.

I really don't know. Like I said, I haven't read his book. All I know is that he apparently couldn't wait to get in the sack with Mary Kay Letourneau again and did so shortly after Mary was out of probation.

You may believe this, but I don't see evidence to back up your case.

 

http://tr.truveo.com/Letourneau-and-husband-on-first-anniversary/id/180144024974292852

This still doesn't work?

Its the second video on the site, the people mag interview

 

Yes James, I think we cover the ground with him for a reason

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Why is it no matter how we ask it we cannot get an honest answer from him? Obviously the subject has some import for him, kind of like the mid-east situation is for SAM

 

Hey talkandjive, the members name was ancientregime, the old peado defender. Anyway the second entry on James post is the link to that oh so abstract, undefined and objective discussion

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