Star Wars vs Star Trek

Nor star trek. It was for the world war II aircraft carrier.

 

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Seriously, there were many enterprises even before the aircraft carrier, going back to sailing vessels. the ST vessel is merely just copying the name

 

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Just like the Aircraft carrier and the nuclear aircraft carrier. It was the rpime example of why with the finest crew the ship would always be legend.

I can and will vehemently deny that Star Trek made the name Enterprise famous. Enterprise was not at all infamous. It is the most celebrated vessel name in the entire world, second to none. There are more Enterprises on the ocean than vessels of any other name. The name or a variation of the name is founf in every country in the world. The name is venerated by warhakws and peace doves generations before Roddenberry was even born.

As for the show, it was space comedy with a lesson. It was cutting edge yes, but it also had some of the abyssmal ratings of it's time.

It was saved after second season by a letter writing campaign. Becuase one thing a Star Trek fan can do is write a letter. And they are devoted. However despite the efforts of the fans, who are a minor, but valuable demographic the show lasted on three seasons. Why? Becuase it didn't have the numbers. Now admittedly using todays demographic programming the show would still probably be on, but don;t make it sound like everyone wwas watching it, when in reality most people were watching Lost in Space.

Actally I kinda like what they have done with Transformers movie wise now, hated that they made Megatron so flipping powerfuland gimped Optimus, but movie wise it rocked.

Pokemon always sucked and so did most disney shows.

But honestly there is much better scifi out there. Battle Star Galactica. reruns of Babylon 5, if you can get ahold of it Dvd of Farscape (blows all of ST right out of the water), and a must buy the complete series of Firefly.

But here's your wake up call Kitt.

Look at the top grossing series of movies. Star Wars ep 1-6 is number 3 with $4,277,184,053 and Star Trek for all eleven movies has world wide gross of $1,078,012,826. Hell, Episode 3 ROTS made almost thatt much on it's own.

If as you say everybody and their grandpa watches Star Trek, then why does Star Wars out gross it so horribly?

 

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Right after transformers the movie came out they came out with new animated series that is so stupid. To this day i would watch the original transformers, the new stuff sucks.

 

Then you'd be wrong: Star Trek was shown around the world: that's what made the name famous.

Now that is specious USA-centric crap.
"Enterprise" meant exactly nothing to the vast majority of the world outside the US.
Speaking only for us Brits: -King George V, Prince of Wales, Hood in the UK for example. Enterprise? Never heard of it...
And then we got Star Trek.

Yeah and it's so venerated it was a mere cruiser in WWI/ WWII and now it's a hydrographic survey vessel in the RN.
[edit] Never, as far as I can ascertain, a capital ship for the RN [Endedit]
Sooo famous.

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It actually did help bring back the Enterprise legend... the US Navy really wasn't going to lay keel on a new flagship once CVN-65 was De'conned... despite the protests of veterens and a public outcry. There was a letter writing campaign from both Trekkies AND Vets, and they managed to sway their opinion... it's not just a ship... it's an Icon.

So long as the standard on this ship doth fly, we shall forever fight for our rights.

I can't remember when that was said, and to be honest it's probably not worded right, but it was from one of the documentarys of the WW2 Enterprise, stated by aircraft crew of the USS Yorktown after landing on the Enterprise.

 

That's the series I'm talking about Scott - the new movie is kick ass except that, yeah... wtf happened with Optimus... where'd he giant beam-sword thingy go after he stabbed the one 'bot with it? He kinda... forgot about it after that 0o'

 

My point exactly - outside the US, nobody knew the name Enterprise... Enterprize was an EXPLORATION vessel back in the times of wooden sailing ships... for the UK, HMS Hood is perhaps the most Venerable ship of all time... it was a sad set of circumstances that came together resulting in her destruction via the larger Bismarck...

 

Uh...what? The thing didn't even have engines, was unmanned, and was never launched. It was just built to test the aerodynamics of the orbiter during its return glide. They hauled it up into the air with a 747 and released it to study how well it glided etc on its way back to the ground.

It's a matter of opinion I guess, but many of TOS episodes were just farcically bad. Half of the episodes seem to be based around reusing sets and props from other TV shows of the time in order to save money, so they came up with ridiculous plots like Nazi Planet, Roman Planet, Gangster Planet, etc. You could tell that even the show's own writers weren't taking it seriously. Even the "good" episodes of TOS are usually just mediocre compared to modern shows like BSG or Firefly.

In TNG things got better in terms of less outright ridiculousness (although they still had plenty of farcical holodeck episodes), but the writers got much worse about relying on contrived technical plot devices to set up the situations that they wanted. I wouldn't say that ST managed anything approaching "good" until DS9.

 

So according to you that new space station module will be named Colbert? Dude letter writing campaigns only slightly sway the opinion. Most of the trekky fan's letters met their fate at the paper shredder


PS Oli, your government awarded the enterprise the British Admiralty pennant which is the only time you awarded it to a ship outside your own navy. Even the hood wasn't awarded it.

 

Your joking right? Look up the British Admiralty pennant on google. 9 out of ten of the results will have the words CVN-6 or enterprise in it. It was an american aircraft carrier. 20 battle stars, presidential unit citation.

Here are all of her awards:

The silver star

20 battle stars

Presidential unit citation- winning this would warrent being awarded the Distinguished service cross, Navy cross, or Air force cross

Navy unit commendation- winning this would require being awarded a silver star atleast.

American Defense service medal

American Campaign medal

Asiatic-Pacific campaign medal (20 stars)

world War II Victory medal

Philipine republic Presidential unit Citation Badge

Philipine liberation medal (one star)

British Admiralty Pennant

Here is the part of the speech given for the presidential unit citation, "For consistently outstanding performance and distinguished achievement during repeated action against enemy Japanese forces in the Pacific war area, 7 December 1941, to 15 November 1942. Participating in nearly every major carrier engagement in the first year of the war, the Enterprise and her air group, exclusive of far-flung destruction of hostile shore installations throughout the battle area, did sink or damage on her own a total of 35 Japanese vessels and shoot down a total of 185 Japanese aircraft. Her aggressive spirit and superb combat efficiency are fitting tribute to the officers and men who so gallantly established her as an ahead bulwark in the defense of the American nation.
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Unfortunately the Admiralty is NOT the British public.
Many things have done by officialdom that have not leaked down to public awareness.
Official recognition is one thing: public recognition is another.
Enterprise (as a US warship) is very low on the recognition list for the public in the UK.
Enterprise (from Trek) is almost universally known.
Citations mean nothing: most of the general public couldn't name two VC holders (the highest British award for bravery) so why would you think that a foreign vessel that garnered official recognition would be known?
Especially with such a little-known award as the Pennant.

(Unless you thought I was talking personally - yes I am aware of the Enterprise - it was an American warship that did some stuff

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. But it wasn't one of ours).
How aware is the average American of the KGV, PoW, Hood, Barham, Ark Royal?
Ark Royal is probably the most famous warship name in the UK, with maybe Hermes high on the list as well.
TW Scott's comment

was plain nonsense.

 

okay can we get back on topic >.>

 

Actually Oli it isn't nonsense at all. The most popular name of a ship is Enterprise or variation there of second is Dolphin or variation there of.

Enterprise (1814)
Enterprize (1829)
Enterprise (1855)
Enterprise (1862)
USS Enterprise (1874)
USS Enterprise (CVN-65)
French frigate Entreprise
HMS Enterprise (1705)
HMS Enterprize (1743)
HMS Enterprise (1693)
HMS Enterprize (1774)
HMS Enterprise (1848)
HMS Enterprise (1864)
HMS Enterprise (D52)
HMS Enterprise (A71)
HMS Enterprise (H88)
Space Shuttle Enterprise
Starship Enterprise
Enterprise (NX-01)
USS Enterprise (1775)
Enterprise (1776)
USS Enterprise (1799)
USS Enterprise (1831)
USS Enterprise (CV-6)
Flying Enterprise (1947) one of the most famous vessels as there is a chromicle of her sinking.

You'll note that severla of the ships are broitish and quite well known. The name Enterprise was famous long beofre Star Trek, the show just enhanced the popularity.

Given is either the launch date or the service number.

 

You missed the point: as expected.

You didn't say popular:

I'm a military technology buff and I had to check if we'd had more than one Enterprise in RN.
Like I said: in the UK - Ark Royal.
Enterprise - whu?

 

Celebrated=/=popular in most the world.

And remember you nation gave our Enterprise and award even the hood never won for itself.

 

A very little known award.
How famous is the island of Malta in the US?
It should be massively well known by your logic - it won the VC.

The list you gave claiming "popular" may be "most used" or something close to it, but it's not a well-known, or celebrated/ popular name for a warship here.

 

i prefer the name Serenity

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:roflmao:

Liberator!

 

i wonder why there isn't a Enterprise-class in startrek though. as the show revolves around this ship it would be rather cool don't ya think.

you got a Galaxy -, Soverign -, and Defiant-class. would sound cool though a Enterprise class