Spin off thread: satire versus insult

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How positively Shakespearian...

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""Upon thy cheek I lay this zealous kiss,
as seal to the indenture of my love.
Now drop yer kecks it's rumpy pumpy time!"

 

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Only in this little microcosm. When one takes into account the greater picture, though, there is a very good reason Scott3x is the way he is. And the way you are. One can only hope you two are representative of a trend and not the future. But I have grave doubts.

Alliances form and dissolve so very easily. All they require is a common adversary.

Well. It appears you do know something. Or perhaps you are merely quoting for effect.
... Actually, I have a tendency to believe the latter. My hunch is you have no idea how far it is possible to tear into everything that you once thought made you you.
Or how difficult it really is to rebuild afterwards.

 

I have them them all

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The bolding is mine, and that's the most important thing to remember.

Somewhere along the line, someone was told he was so special and so unique and now that he's out in the world where no one really cares about opinion, he's still screaming to be heard because he's special, god dammit... special.

He needs the attention, needs to be treated different... he neeeeeeeds.

 

There are few if any guarantees in life as well. You just try to make it as good as possible. Surely the same can be done for this forum.

If even a few people read it beforehand and refrain from using certain insults because of it, I think it would have done its job. And seriously, people are social creatures; if they're clearly shown what's against the rules, they tend to follow it. The problem, in my view, is when things are too vague or double standards are being applied.

I don't think all personal attacks should be on the list. You have made it clear that such a list would reach absurd proportions. Just a few common insults.

For one, there are always those who would disagree on what should be considered an insult; creating an official list would essentially be saying, regardless of what x or y member might think, these terms, when used in a hostile manner against another poster, are off limits.

There is also the probability that if you're not extra clear with some people, they'll take advantage of the situation at times. I think Tiassa realized this recently and made it -very- clear what he'd do if people broke a certain rule of his again; when he did so, it worked.

When I first commented, no I didn't. I now think the probability of such is going up, but I'm still willing to entertain the thought that he does have special powers atleast. As you may have noticed, I'm not following the whole thing all that closely. I guess I just think some things are more important then vague 'special powers'.

While I think asking someone if they're delusional is generally insulting, I don't think it would qualify as a personal attack if the question is valid. If there is proof that he is, indeed, delusional, then even saying so is valid, I believe. There are lighter ways of saying it.. somewhat or rather off, say...

As I said above. Also, how is he defining God? My views on God are much more defined then my views on what powers a person might have.

It tells me what I said.

 

I would contend that I've already left my mark on it, but you're free to disagree. I'm not saying that I think I'm the only one either. Ultimately, I think that a fair amount of posters tend to leave a mark in a forum after a while.

I don't hanker for a neat little tea party. I wish for civilized discourse on difficult issues. Because of my speaking of difficult issues as well as my stances on some of them, many of my views have gotten people quite upset indeed. And while I try to be civil and adhere to the rules, it's clear that I have the capability of irritating the moderators to the point that I've been threatened with a ban.

I don't think that's the case. I think that anyone who's ever been insulted by the same tired insults might have appreciated knowing that they're reportable.

No, I said I had enough of your views for one post, especially since what had followed was basically a bunch of vitriol.

No one's forcing them to read my posts.

Are you suggesting that that makes them ok?

Honestly, I have had the most trouble with Skinwalker. I've disagreed with Stryder over thread closings, but Stryder atleast seems to take a little more time in explaining his reasoning.

Why don't you?

Maybe; but I consider myself to be polyamorous, not a swinger. I would imagine there's something you can engage in besides my posts as well. Ultimately, it comes down to what we prefer spending our time on.

 

I personally think the size of my definition is just right. Clearly, however, I don't only associate with people who are always polite.

I doubt it, but I've never had a partner who's said that either.

I agree. I simply haven't had a partner like the one you have/had.

If a person is truly off, a moderator has much more effective ways of halting such a poster then simply insulting them.

Note that I said his wish for -others- to be civil. I have already acknowledged that he may be hypocritical at times and you seem to be confirming this.

I agree that what works best depends on a lot of things; although I'm not sure you could deliver such a speech well over a long distance

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I don't care. This isn't about consensus, it's about knowing what you consider to be an insult.

See, there are times when rules on language do matter. While this may not be anyone's home per se, it is a community and perhaps a type of virtual community home.

When have I ever tried to impose anything here? For starters, I'm not even a moderator here so that would be somewhat difficult to accomplish, don't you think? I have only appealed to and tried to persuade the authorities and the public here when I felt x or y rule was being broken or x or y mod was being unfair, and civilly at that.

That's what I thought

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I wouldn't, unless the person was getting aggressive or something, but I definitely think I'd engage in various efforts, up to calling them police, to get him or her out of my house. In this forum, however, anyone who registers is entitled to speak here. If they break certain rules, or break certain rules repeatedly, they are warned and/or banned. People here have a right to appeal warnings but I don't think they have a right to appeal bannings, so if you're going to appeal something, you have to appeal the warnings.

As I said, if a misinformed person is really bad, moderators have ways of dealing with it that are far more powerful then simply insulting them. You seem to be saying that persuading others that someone is misinformed can be challenging. Life can frequently be challenging; I don't think that taking short cuts by trying to silence someone you believe to be misinformed with base insults is the answer, though.

 

Wow! anybody got time to read, let alone decipher all that shit?

 

Yes we've had prior examples of your definition being the right one: even when the dictionary definition disagrees with you.

Then when you next see your partners please give them my sincere condolences.

See above.

I'm not talking about mods since I have no intention of asking the mods to conform to my personal preferences.

You're not sure: I am I've done it, more than once.
Like I said, it's all in the delivery.

Ah: good point - it's not about consensus it's about your wants...

Your ever-lengthening thread on the rules and list that YOU require, perhaps?

You missed the point again.
You know, if I even slightly suspected you were smarter than you appear to be I'd accuse you of being deliberately obtuse just to bait people, but I'm afraid that just doesn't seem to be the case.

 

You're not irritating Scott you're a common pain in the ass. The only reason why the mods threatened a ban is beacause you're a fly in their message box. Wanderer actually irritated and roughed up the populace, that's why he's in exile. The mods only threaten you with a ban in the hopes that you'll simply shut the fuck up and get on with it. The only reason why anyone here entertains your list crusade is because you are mildly entertaining as the new local nutter. Seen it time and time again, eventually you'll get tired of the lone ranger crusade and get on with it. But change things? No. You're just a fly. Yes scott I do think that this site and the way its run is 'ok', the complaints by and large are always whiney and insignificant in the scheme of things. I've been a member since 05-09-03 and trust me when I say I have seen wankers like you come and go, think you can change the basic nature of this place? Good luck with that.

When I told you to give it a rest I was just being polite as I know you really really dislike someone saying FOR FUCKS SAKE MAN GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS IT ONLY SMELLS OF SHIT.

But I guess at the end of it your only a common dip-shit asshole.

BELLS how is that happy place?

LIEBLING: as usual you're insight is correct. He neeeeds! But don't you think there is a control issue also at work? He bends his back in faux politeness when dealing with mods but he is secretly power driven. He wants the site to mirror his image of polite society. So I say he is in need of power, its what he wants. But it is a strange thing isn't it? like looking at a mouse on a wheel going over the same territory over and over, its slightly bizarre. If you notice when anyone uses irony or says something sarcastic he takes it literally, he misses the point entirely. Note how he goes on to explain his preference for polyamorous as opposed to swinging as if I really were really serious when I wrote the suggestion or even gave a shit.

MUFF no one really reads through all his garbage, we don't have to as its always the same jibber jabber jibber jabber jibber jabber.

Okay I'm off to get my giggles elsehwere. Ta

 

How gracious of you to say so

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I'm not quoting for effect.

I find that statement simply to be simply too vague to be either verifiable or falsifiable. I have my strengths and my faults. I'm relatively sure what I'll be doing for perhaps a month or so; as to the rest, I fully admit that it's conjecture based on theories that get foggier with time. For this reason, I try to make the most of the now.

 

I think you're referring to my definition on religion. I find that the dictionary definitions are too stultifying and a little modification for my own definition is at times required on some rare occassions such as that term. In any case, here's the intro to wikipedia's introduction in its politeness article:

Politeness is best expressed as the practical application of good manners or etiquette.​

I know you weren't. I, on the other hand, was.

Well where does this 'let everyone do what they like' end? Seriously, if you play it that way, why ask people who are off to conform to your personal preferences? Why not just let -everyone- do what they like?

Over a long distance? What if they missed a few words?

I simply wanted to learn what you considered to be an insult. But if it's too much trouble for you to specify, let it be.

Oli, I have no power to impose anything here; why you would think otherwise, I'm not sure. I think the best I can do is ask the powers that be here to consider my ideas. If said powers don't think x idea of mine is a good one, whether at this point in time or forever more, that's their choice to make.

One long sentence wasted on insults instead of trying to explain what you feel your point truly was. But don't let me stop you. Continue wasting bandwidth on this insult fest, it seems to be something that many posters enjoy doing...

 

I get the message, pardon me if I'm not keen on hearing the rest...

 

Good. Getting the message is a start.

 

The message, as far as I'm concerned, is that you don't like me, something that I think was relatively clear before your last message anyway. I think you could have used less words to say so, and certainly less insulting ones, but to each their own.

 

Not JUST your definition of religion, you've done it more than once.

Of course, it's the rational way.
Redefining existing words the way YOU want makes it completely obvious to everyone what is meant.

Uh huh. And I think you'll find that good manners AND etiquette vary dependant upon the company you're in.

Then you're either diverting from, or ignoring, the previous posts.

Oh, point missed or deliberately ignored?
That's not what I said and it's not what I meant.

Perhaps you missed "It's all in the delivery".
And the attitude would ensure that even with the odd missed word the meaning is clear.

Too much trouble?
Like the trouble you seem to have with the phrase "I don't consider anything to be a base insult as such - it depends entirely upon when, where and how it's used."

I know you don't have the power, but it doesn't seem to stop you constantly agitating for a change in the existing system to suit YOUR desires.

You are exceedingly good at missing the point.
I'd given you credit for at least minimum comprehension levels, maybe I over estimated you all round.
Insults?
Re-read it - I said that I was sure you aren't being deliberately obtuse or baiting.
How is that an insult?
Perhaps it really is wilful ignorance, whatever, you wasted enough of my time.
I do concede that you were perhaps right on one thing: sometimes it really is best to simply ignore the hopelessly lost causes.