Star Wars vs Star Trek

No, what i meant is that the ships emphasize armor because eventually both battleship's shields will fall when fighting each other, and after that they count on armor to resist damage, and because of the necessity of greater armor, the ships can take a tremendous amount of beating WITHOUT their shields.

P.S. Lets only use acronyms for ST, SM, and SW, i have no clue what UFP, SIT, ABC, XYZ mean it becomes so damn confuzing.

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Excelsior is a Heavy Cruiser

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Akira... probably could actually, as could Nova, Norway, Sabre, etc.

 

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Only one problem - if you can't hit a ship at warp, yet it can hit you, your defense screen is pointless

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I mean, a couple hundred photon and quantum torpedoes impacting it at the same time would still deal massive amounts of damage... much less if a tri-cobalt device detonated against it

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the only one's we've seen really resist it completely is neutronium... the kind tha comes from a neutron star... not the kind Han was able to pick up

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Sometimes- newer warp cores provide plenty of power output, plus the aux. fusion reactors

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Not true - newer starship clases (like the Sovereign and Intrepid) can use phasers at Warp. Granted, they are somewhat reduced in effectiveness, but they can be used

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And phasers move at approx warp .75 if I'm not mistaken.

 

Plasma weapons do as well - plasma's raw energy output is less than phasers because plasma is, inherently, matter on the verge of becoming energy. The only way to override that is to impact a target with a massive amount of plasma and have it "implode" on the target

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UFP = United Federation of Planets from Star Trek

And the reason most ships in Trek don't use armor is that their weapons are able to easily blow it away in large chunks... ablative armor can negate some of that by spreading the effect of energy-weapons across most of the hull, causing a very thin layer to "ablate" at once. The Voyager armor... is an unknown for now

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UFP=united federation of planets
SIF=structural integrity field
EPS=electro-plasma system
GCS=galaxt class starship
ISD=imperial star destroyer

and so on and so forth....lol
posts become very long without these abreviations

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Akira in its 440m incarnation is a missile/torpedo cruiser, not likely to pull more stunts then a sovereign, maybe less

i never saw the Nova in action, but Norway and Sabre did not seam very agile in FC (First Contact)

 

you can use warp to aproach but you cant make rapid course corrections. you can perform long range barrage by "warp strifing" but it won't be that effective against a target of that size.

 

neutronium in its pure form is practicaly imune to phasers yes, but other aloys and composites provide some protection. tritanium is both heat and phaser resistant. nutronium ipregnated materials are constantlu used to reinforce military grade targets and armour (Bashir's patient had neutronium resin traces in his burns, indicating phaser fire), even personal armour. tritanium aloys can me used to great effect when deployed in thick layers (carbon-neutronium on the Dyson Sphere).

 

Well sure it can, i think weve all seen how little firepower is required to pierce a ST ship's hull armor, which is pretty sad. But SM Battle barge's armor i many, many, many, times more formidable than those several inches of armor on the ST ship.

 

eighter way, no ship ever made could run all the major power systems on 120%, not that i know off. at the very best you could put 2 or 3 of them on max, leaving the rest on auxilary or reserve. especially in combat.

 

using the phasers in warp is not the problem, using them at long range is. to use an energy weapon in warp you need to extend the warp bubble and you can't do this more then few 1000 kilometers and this is very optimistic assesment. deforming the bubble at high warp would be unadvisable. in STL (slower then light) you can't hope to fire them at anything further then 100000km.

 

well true, if you put more and more enerrgy into the plasma weapon you will turn it into a particle beam eventually

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well the use of armour vs shields is another trade off you have to make up your mind about

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well ST ships, the feds to be precise don't rely on heavy armour too much. their hull streinght comes mostly from SIFs, tritanium bulkheads and some high density armour (still no more then several meters thick). the shields are the primary deffence of UFP ships.

 

using SIFs does have its disadvantages though, at least on the older ships. once the main power was offline the SIFs couse serious stress on the auxilary generators

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But in contrast, their shields are nothing compared to ST ships shields...

And the important thing is - you can always retreat to reinforce your shields... you can't really repair lost armor without a dock

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