Islam vs. the Western World: off-topic posts from a Religion thread

So Muslims are seeking revenge for those injustices? Revenge in the form of killing any and all westerners, and cutting off their heads?

Is that how Muslims think to right all the past injustices??? More and more blood feuds against the children of the past oppressors?

And why do Muslims kill other Muslims ...even as Muslims of the world defend that killing? And you expect westerners to accept that as normal? I ain't got that figured out yet.

Baron Max

 

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Think "patriots" and "loyalists"

 

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And you defend those Muslims for taking the law into their own hands? For seeking personal revenge without any due processes of the law?

Baron Max

 

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Don't you?

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You mean in Iraq. Who is arming the warring factions? Why was there no sectarian violence before the US invaded? Why was there no sectarian violence in Iraq for hundreds of years before that? The answer is simple.

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SAM and I are not the same individual, nor do we agree on everything. Why is there a campaign to refer to us together in every post?

We most definitely denounce any inter-Muslim strife, what would we gain from it. We encourage the Iraqis to stop killing each other and join together to kick out the source of their oppression, the US army, from their lands.

That something is like usurping power. Noted that I don't know the extent of damage, but I know for a fact it was isolated to Karachi, and based more on resentment of Western backed MQM terrorist group than anyhting else. Zardari is nothing but a civilian dictator, but it is no use explaining Pakistani politics to you. As if you even care what happens, I'm sure you are happy just to see us suffer.

I don't remember anyone killing someone in the protests. Can you provide the source?

Violence directed against occupying armies, not civilians. Why do I have to keep stating this. Can't you grasp this just once. Islam forbids killing of civilians in war. It is not only illegal in Islam, it tarnishes the legitimate resistance. This is why we believe that these attacks are orchestrated against with the dual goal of weakening the populace and maligning the resistance, many of the bombers have been traced to Karzai's thugs in Afghanistan, who incidentally are also funded by and propped up by the US.

If you scratch a problem in this region far enough, you will find America's hand in it. It is from my experience. It is also the widespread perception of not only the common people of the Muslim world, but its intelligentsia as well

 

Yeah, but they would not need to provide goods and services for paper money thats worth something only because its being held up as the currency for oil. IOW, let Americans work for their own living rather than make money off someone else's national resource by insisting their currency is the only one that can be used to purchase it. Imagine needing Chinese currency to buy gas at the pump.

 

Although I agree your not grasping the concept of currency exchange, I also agree it's about fucking time American live within their means and not the way they want to regardless the rest of the world or the future.

 

Maybe we should ask the native Americans what they want. After all, you're occupying their land and using their resources, duh! Shouldn't you be in some European country of origin?

Ironic.

 

Perhaps you're right, SAM ......Muslims are about 300 years behind westerners! I'd say that's about right, wouldn't you?

So, let's defend the Muslims of the world who kill other Muslims in the 21st Century!! Yea, Muslims, go, fight, kill! Yea, Muslims!

Neat little cheering section you have here, SAM.

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Baron Max

 

Yeah, what scenario do you perceive when we "catch up" to your occupational hegemonies?

Beware of what you want, they say, for you may get it.

 

I recommend you look at the system of "currency exchange" and why post Iraq invasion Iraq was first and foremost reverted to selling oil for dollars. "Mission Accomplished" was not entirely a joke.

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Bullshit bullshit bullshit. There was sectarian violence prior to US invasion, and there was also violence towards the Kurds.

The reason why violence between Sunni and Shitte was far less under Saddam's rule was because Saddam and his Sunni cronies stifled any Shiite dissent. Since the U.S invasion broke the existing pre-existing hierarchy and dethroned the elitist Sunni caste, there is now a struggle for predominance amongst the two sects. Ergo. The U.S led invasion created a power vacuum, the Sunnis and Shiites squabbling amongst each other over who should fill it.

Naturally you'll bitch about the U.S creating a power vacuum. But let me make two observations:

1. It's not necessarily a bad thing to oust a highly elitist government which favours nepotism, castism, and the oppression of particular religious denominations.

2. The U.S does not force the various sects to employ violence to resolve their disputes. The Sunnis, Shiites, Kurds, and various other factions could choose to resolve the problem of how to divide up power peacefully, but they don't.

I re-iterate, quit blaming America for behaviour exhibited by Iraqis. A doesn't necessarily equal B, nobody forced a violent responsible from the various denominations in Iraq.

And in regards to your demand for an apology for slavery. May I point out that the Western World did *not* steal free human beings from Africa. Quite the contrary, they *purchased* slaves from African slave dealers. The Africans were quite willing to become rich off the slave trade. Too bad they didn't realise what disaster consequences depopulating the centre of Africa would have in the long term. But to be fair, the Europeans didn't expect it either.

 

Because Sadman Hussy killed anyone and everyone who tried anything that he didn't like. Iraq was littered with bodies of Muslims that Sadman murdered! Or don't you believe any of the Iraqi people's word?

You mean none that was reported in the news??

Yep, simple ....the west made the Muslims start killing other Muslims! Good one, DH, just blame everything on the west and you're in safe waters!

Pretty powerful people, those Americans, huh? We can make people start killing their own people whenever we want. We can make Muslims kill other Muslims just by being Americans ....and asking politely.

If Americans keep it up, pretty soon, with Muslims killing so many Muslims, there won't be any more Muslims in the world to kill other Muslims.

Baron Max

 

We could invade Texas, and after alienating the Americans, arm the Mexicans to fight them. Let those two kill each other off while we steal their oil. But before we do that, we would need to bomb a state to make a scapegoat for our war against radical Capitalists. We can attack New Jersey, no one likes them anyway, then we can blame New York for all the problems we cause in Jersey. It's the perfect plan.

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Buffalo's post makes more sense if you put it in context. He was responding to Diamond's demands that the West make reparations for all the bullshit is has ever done (slavery, occupation, murder, waa waa waa boo hoo hoo). It's fucking ridiculous for Diamond to demand that the West make reparations from slavery, in light of the fact that Muslims were the major culprits when it came to slavery.

 

You still don't get it, do you, SAM? I think it's funny how you continue to use that old line of bullshit ....even after I've explained it to you. Are you really that thick-headed? Oh, wait, yes, you are!!

Baron Max

 

Ooooh that makes total sense, they invade iraq to prevent it from switching currency makes so much more sense than war profiteering or just plane stupidity! I bet it was a plan orchestrated by the 5 Jewish bankers that secretly control the world from outer space!

 

It will be interesting to see what happens when Hispanics become a majority in the US.

 

Man, Diamond makes it sound like Americans are able to control the minds of men. Brrr, scary stuff.