I think that's interesting. And I think it's factual ....women NEED a man. Whereas men only WANT a woman around occasionally. Big difference, don't you see? I think that's why most men think of pussy as a trap! Baron Max
Yupyup. I have a metal vagina. I kill people by forcing their heads inside me, and crushing them. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Obviously there are relationships like that, but those aren't the women who are complaining. Yes, in a population of six billion you're going to find every conceivable type of relationship and every conceivable type of problem. Anecdotally we're led to assume that far more men are bothered by wives who are not interested in sex, for whatever reason, legitimate or not, than vice versa, but that wasn't the question in the O.P. Spouses who don't appreciate, or even recognize and acknowledge, each other's contribution to the maintenance of the household and the raising of the family have a much bigger problem than sex. But this is America and we express everything in terms of sex. It's our national metaphor. I suppose one oversimplification deserves another, but obviously we both know that men and women come from all points on their spectra. I'm taking the chance of assuming that the rest of the members know that too and perhaps being too dramatic. Nonetheless ours is a society in which men still have substantially more economic (and other) power than women. It's possible for a man to settle down with a woman who has nothing going for her except a predisposition for fun, including sexual fun, and keep the marriage and even a family more-or-less on course. The brute force of his income can solve problems with a nanny, a cleaning lady, restaurant meals, etc. This is far more difficult for the average woman, so she has to value maturity in a man over his "hotness" and his ability to make life one endless party. These days even the most immature man can often pull in a decent income (they're rampant in the information technology industry), but if he can't manage either his money or his time well, he'll be a terrible husband and a worse father. A man who finds himself married to an immature woman might just lie back and enjoy it. A woman who finds herself married to an immature man will more likely be frightened and frustrated. Men will stick their dix into anything. I lived in Hollywood for ten years and knew many of its denizens, so please don't ask for elaboration on this website full of impressionable teenagers. Give a gay guy enough liquor and he'll have heterosexual intercourse rather than no intercourse. We straight men are disgusted by the thought of gay sex. Gay men do not feel that way about straight sex. Just as women are terrified by the idea of having unwanted sexual attention forced on them by a man but often laugh it off if it's from a woman. Both men and women have a sexual fear of men, but neither women nor men (even gay men) have the same level of discomfort regarding women. That is a rampant overgeneralization. Many women will go out with a guy and if they enjoy it they'll keep it up for a while and wait to see if the "feeling" develops. For one thing, even if there's no "feeling" that's a really great way to acquire new friends. As a general rule based on my own experience and observation of others, you can give an opposite-sex friendship about six months to see if it turns into a romance. That's how long my wife and I were friends before the spark ignited. Um, do you young whippersnappers not talk as much about life and relationships as much as us old hippies used to do? Has everything we brought out into the open become taboo once again? Is that why America is going to hell, with Christianity, warmongering, drug-bashing and professional "wrestling" becoming prominent again? When people from our crowd "went out" (we didn't call it "dating" because that was what our parents did and also because it implied that the purpose was romance) we would start talking about "the relationship" before there was anything really to talk about. By the time we went home we both knew what "space" the other one was in and what the likelihood of the various outcomes were. Every woman is different and every man is different. You can't generalize about what they need. THAT'S WHY WE USED TO TALK ABOUT IT! To treat each other as individuals rather than models. Oh Max. I suppose we're about the same age but I'm convinced that you slept through the 1960s. You obviously never had a relationship with a woman who challenged your stereotype. Let me guess: You also attended church faithfully, hated rock and roll, thought cops were doing a good job, volunteered for the Army, never smoked a joint or rode a motorcycle, and didn't understand why black people were pissed off.
And interestingly enough, you don't sound just a bit more sober than Fred Phelps... unlike Baron there. When I need a man, I'll let you know. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
No, that's not true ...both men and women are a lot more stereotypical than the liberal doo-gooders would try to make us think. Women "need" men ...there just ain't no bullshit about it. Men just "want" women ...and there ain't no bullshit about that either. People just don't like that ...which is why they make up that bullshit thingie about "individuals" and that other such crap! Oh, a lot of them tried, but it was all talk and playacting. In the end, they were just needy and emotional like most women. Fraggle, have you ever type out just a regular, simple post like most people ...or is it something in you that requires you to be so fuckin' wordy and lengthy with posts??? What is it with you, anyway?? Baron Max
Not a big enough percentage to affect any kind of overall sociological stats. The Barons of this world outnumber them 10/1, and they're a minority. One thing I have noticed: the "realistic" folks, who have the more cynically stereotypical take on other people, tend to have bleakly screwed up lives. Romantics get screwed up, but not in such grim fashion. Chicken and egg situation, no doubt, but there it is.
You are right. I need a man for sexual purposes, and my emotions are making me want to jump on your head repeatedly.
How interesting for a woman, VI ...an expression of love and caring, coupled with the desire to do bodily violence ...in the very same sentence! Interesting indeed. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Baron Max
Read my post again, VI, ....I didn't say or imply that you were talking about me in both of those terms. But just the same, can you feel love and tenderness for one person while, AT THE SAME TIME, desire to do violence against another person? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Baron Max
It's perfectly possible. For example if you were to harm someone I cared about, I'd feel empathy for them, and also anger at you. Grow a brain. I mean a real brain too. Not the one between your legs.
I don't think people can do that at the same time, VI, ....emotions just don't work that way with most people. Oh, sure, they can switch back and forth, but not normally at the same time. Baron Max
Maybe just because you're not complex enough. For me anyway it's like the emotions are a continuum, for example at one end, caring, at another, anger at whoever caused the hurt....and you can feel the length of this continuum at once.
Well, arguing with you on that issue is fruitless. But I just can't see a loving, tender mother comforting her baby while exhibiting violent hatred toward someone nearby. Makes no sense in the real world. But I'm not going to argue with you, VI, it's useless. Besides, I don't really give a fuck. Baron Max
DUH. It could actually be very useful and I would go so far as to venture that we could have evolved that way. For example...an early female human was out gathering vegetables with her infant, and someone threatened them....so she stands in front of her infant to shield him, because she cares, while directing violent anger at the aggressor. You really don't like it when people make valid points, do you? Use logic or don't bother pooing all over threads.
Interesting, VI, but not the same thing ......and you know it! The desire to protect is inherent in the emotions of love and caring. See? Same emotion being exhibited, even while holding the spear to protect. Valid points? No, I don't think so. Wanna' try again? Or should we just forget this whole evil mess? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Baron Max
Yes they are the same thing. You need love to protect the child, but you also need rage to wield the spear.
