Why is it ok to discriminate against certain groups (specifically, young people)?

For example, of a poem about a spoiled young person

I don't mean to have a go at the thread starter but this does seem to imply that all teenagers are spoiled asses. Some teenagers are unarguably spoiled asses. Some black people are also criminals, but if you made a joke which implied that all black men and women were criminals, people would hand you your intestines and rightly so.

Also: Why is it that when adults complain about something, they're right, when young people do they're whining?

I've noticed on several other forums such as the Guardian discussion boards, that if it's an adult complaining about their teenager, everyone sympathises and goes on about how vile all young people are, if it's a young person complaining about their parents, everyone calls them a spoiled brat, even if they're actually being reasonable.

I can hear your counter argument already...'But young people should be grateful...they get fed, clothed, sent to school, etc.'

But you could equally say to someone complaining about their teen who blasts music too loud/wants mouth piercings/refuses to fit in: 'Stop whining. He's healthy, isn't he? He could have gone to Iraq and gotten his head shot off or died from leukemia aged 6 or something..'

This would be an equally legitimate thing to say, but since adults have the social status, they get to decide who has a legitimate complaint and who gets told to shut up.

Discuss?

 

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you could go further VI, why is it that teenages get discriminated against?
for instance say i walked into a merc dealer and my father did, who do you think would get the better service?

This goes even further, for instance less protection and lower pay for younger workers, direct discrimination in the hiring phase, discrimination when getting a loan, trying rent a house ect.

Thankfully in australia this isnt so ovious because if it is the anti discrimination board is quite willing to charge someone with ageisum.

 

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Yay. Good to know there are countries where people have their heads on the right way.

I couldn't tell you why teenagers get discriminated against at all. Possibly because certain forms of discrimination seem more acceptable than others. We all hate racists. But young people...they're somehow different. Lower status. Omega wolves. The idea that young people are automatically assholes unless you see them volunteering at a homeless people's shelter somehow doesn't get your blood all hot and viscous the way racism or homophobia do.

 

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(quick fact, age discrimination laws are part of the commonwealth laws i belive where as sex and gender, sexual preffence ect discrimination laws are state, you can decide if this means anything

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those laws protect ANYONE from discrimination based on there age, the most ovious 2 examples are the young and the old who are routinly discriminated against. However they arnt the only two groups who face this sort of discrimination. Im waiting to see a challange made to some of the fast food restraunts hiring and firing policies which are that once an employee turns 18, unless they are a manager they get fired because they cost more. This would be a clear breach under the law yet surprisingly no one has chosen to take an action against these people over it. Age discrimination which isnt focused on the elderly tends to be the least known of the antidiscrimination laws sadly but it is being promoted more now

 

Damn that is really lousy. And cowardly.

A place where I used to work had a similar attitude, they found out I was only 15 at the time and started paying me less.

 

The community of the wise is the welfare of the world

IOW there's a certain track of dogmatic liberalism that demands equality on absurd levels which would surely result in more chaos and madness than what we are already experiencing. In short, homogenizing all social norms is a recipe for disaster.

Equality is best applied to issues of respect, etc ..... which is applied differently according to time, place and circumstance. A merc dealer probably has very good reasons for not rushing to the assistance of a 17 year old ....

 

The community is not so wise, though.

Assuming that any young person is an asshole unless you've actually seen them do something wonderful is not reasonable or wise.

Why should a merc dealer not assist a 17 year old? Old enough to use the service, old enough to be treated with respect unless you do something to not deserve it.

 

hence the welfare of the world is what it is

Assuming that the sun shines from their nether regions is also a gross miscalculation.

IOW you don't rectify a negatively inaccurate reception with a positively inaccurate reception either. Hence the whole ball game called by dogmatic liberalism is a farce.

You would expect a merc dealer to see a 17 year old and thinks "customer"?

Is trying to sell someone a merc the only way a merc dealer can exhibit respect?

 

I didn't say you should go the other way and assume that all young people are angels. Some young people are absolute asses. Some being the operative word. Not all. Same as old people, in between aged people, heteros, gays, whites, blacks, and every other groups you can think of.

17 is old enough to own a car so yes.

 

Under the circumstances, yes.

 

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so you think the only issue a merc dealer should have in determining a potential customer is whether they are old enough to buy a car?

 

Yes.

Unless he has actually seen a report in the news about how that teen in front of him was arrested for drunk driving or something such, he should treat him the exact same as his other customers.

 

VI, humans have been discriminating against other groups of people since we first began to walk upright on the African plains. It's a natural thing for people to do ...making laws against it is sort of like making a law against breathing ....people will still breathe, but they'll do so in hiding. And that's exactly what's happened with discrimination ...people find ways of doing it while trying to skirt the laws.

Humans are just animals ....and birds of a feather flock together. Seldom do you see different types of birds flocking together ...birds are discriminating just like humans want to do, but are prevented by some mamby-pamby, doo-gooder, liberal laws!

Baron Max

 

this is the sort of absurdity that liberalism grants when it becomes dogmatic.

At the very least, you would expect to see some highly unusual advertisements if the demographic industry catches wind of your notion ....

 

The single greatest problem with our society today is sheer unhealthy desire.

There is a VERY good reason why young people are so outspoken and dissatisfied with respect to their interactions with "older" people and vice versa.

The vast majority of us (of all ages) only know unhealthy desire because of forced social linage. The natural progressive paths that allow for the exploration of the human gifts have been lost to liberal doses of ego based demand and expectancy.

 

I agree with you.

So much of society is taken up with things that don't matter.

 

How can a 17 yr old in American buy a car? They aren't legally old enough to sign a contract.
Or is that ageism as well?

And young people have lower paying jobs beause that's how it always is. Always has been. Its not their age, its their experience level.

 

In Canada it is the LAW to discriminate against certain groups, under the guise of "Equal opportunity". The ultimate oxymoron.

 

The parents co-sign a loan. I got my first checking account and debit card when I was 17... but by law, I couldn't be the primary account holder. So, I got my mom to be the primary.

Getting a loan for a car is about the stupidest shit ever. As soon as your sign your name on the dotted line and drive it off the lot, you already owe way more money on the car than you'll ever get back in the free market.