Battlestar Galactica: Season 4

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All I caught was something about impregnate.

~String

 

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You don't have to worry about it. Unless your a cylon.. But if humanity are cylons, then really. It doesn't matter.

 

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I'm so glad that Gaeta and Zarek are both dead. What is there left, 5 episodes?

~String

 

Well, they got what they deserved, especially Zarek. I think the webisodes were really pivital in pointing out what drove Gaeta to this. Good satisfying episode.

And what about the preview. A lot of questions answered there. Final Cylon (Tigh's wife) is resurrecting! So we know that the final five can, in fact, resurrect. We also know that there is another resurrection hub somewhere (I knew it). Also, it appears that she actually knows what the fuck is going on! Once again, can't wait for the next episode! Damn, I'm going to miss this show.

 

They seem to have eliminated the pesky Quorum, which is a good thing with only a few episodes left. I just hope they do not waste an episode discussing the election of new Quorum members (though I could see the show getting bogged down in minutiae like that).

If it were the real world, there would be a small, but vocal group of conspiracy theorists who would claim that Adama staged the takeover just so he could murder the Quorum (and detailed "proofs" that they were shot while Adama was in control).

So, I take it that most of the rebels are getting some sort of lesser, non-bullet-to-the-chest punishments? Adama did say there would be no amnesty, so I do hope he doesn't simply let them off entirely.

 

Yeah. Don't mess with a gay guy with a beef!

But really. As I said to you in PM, I mostly feel sorry for him. Yeah, he definately needed to be offed, after all the death and carnage he caused. Dear GOD, I love how Roslin has re-found her happy place. Her screaming into the radio, "I'm coming for ALL OF YOU!" The quiet look of resolve and loss on Gaeta's face when he realized that the FTL had been sabotaged (I think Tyrol became my all around favorite character at that point).

Note: What were those scratches he saw. Certainly not a monster, but what? A metal Cylon. Tyrol doesn't "see" things that aren't important. Never.

And what about the preview. A lot of questions answered there. Final Cylon (Tigh's wife) is resurrecting! So we know that the final five can, in fact, resurrect. We also know that there is another resurrection hub somewhere (I knew it). Also, it appears that she actually knows what the fuck is going on! Once again, can't wait for the next episode! Damn, I'm going to miss this show.[/QUOTE]

To this point, I think she's going to resurrect on the base-star. I think that within the base star there is something pre-programmed to allow a final-fiver to resurrect. Which is important in knowing that none of them were ever really in any danger, after all, of dying. Ty could have been spaced. They all could have been shot. All would have survived!

As for Ellen coming with answers: she better. There are six "regular" episodes left and ONE "special" that will explain the Cylon's plan (as in, "They have a plan..."), which supposedly takes place before and up to the second season.

I was growing tired of the old Quorum too.

Magnanimity to the underlings, justice for the leaders. This is the way of things.

~String

 

It looked to me as though he spotted some sort of hitherto un-noticed critical damage or the results of metal fatigue/lack of maintenance.

The impression I got was that they weren't going to be able to make many more jumps without Galactica exploding, or the drive section snapping off, or some such.

 

It was the work of a Predator.

Predator vs. Galactica

 

I agree. Of course, somewhere in the solar system the ability exists to, at the very least, build Starbuck's viper from scratch. So all hope is not lost.

 

Galactica is dying

The ship is dying.

It's a strong myth in science fiction, one that I first encountered in Star Blazers, except that kind of worked in reverse. Facing insurmountable odds, the Yamato stood strong, feeding on the hope and dedication of its crew, protecting them beyond any rational expectation, conquering a technologically-advanced armada and eventually destroying a warrior-cult civilization. When it was time to make its final stand, Yamato destroyed an entire civilization, the Comet Empire, that sought the extermination of Earthling humanity. The tradition of sacrifice and love that tread Yamato's decks was imbued into the spirit of the ship, and made it stronger.

With Galactica, the ship is symbolic of a dying species, a dying hope. It may well be the dying leader of myth. The president has given up hope. The people divided. The wisdom and love that kept the fleet together through so many crises faltered when Gaeta staged his revolution. Just as Adama's heart broke when he thought he lost Saul Tigh, so did Galactica's when her people surrendered to despair.

In the next couple of episodes we will encounter a scene in which Adama washes his face, and sees something in the mirror. He turns around, looks about in wonder, and when the object of his attention is revealed, it is an ugly gouge in the wall of his cabin. I couldn't figure out what it meant when I first saw that scene, but when Tyrol discovered the damage in the engine room, it clicked into place.

They've dabbled with religion throughout. We should not expect the writers to avoid making some sort of statement. To confine that expression to the psychospiritual makes a certain amount of sense. Science and religion can stills stay five hundred feet apart, but the dramatic qualities of the mystical can be asserted.

But Galactica is dying. And whether we go with the mundane (psychological) or mystical (spiritual), it all amounts to the same thing. The ship's condition is a reflection of the people.

 

Was the whole gay thing ...?

Continuity question: Where do the webisodes fall in the timeline?

After the conclusion of "Blood on the Scales, I looked at my brother, shrugged, and said, "Now the webisodes don't make any sense."

But I couldn't explain what I meant.

At first it was just this nagging sense that I'd somehow counted the passing of time wrong at Earth, which would explain away the problem.

But then it hit me that in the first webisode, there was the suggestion of a Cylon attack. And that doesn't make sense. Unless it was a false report and a disastrous emergency jump.

But it doesn't seem to have any effect on the story line so far.

Or did I miss a detail in a later webisode?

 

You've made a mistake. In the webisodes they quickly realize there was no Cylon attack and jump back. What happened to Gaeta in the webisode (with Boomer killing off everyone but him and confessing to many other murders back on New Caprica using info she got from Gaeta) was what pushed him into this action. It is what convinced him that his gut feeling that it was wrong to cooperate with the Cylons was correct. As to where they fall in the timeline, I'd say the webisodes must have occurred between the end of "last season" and the begining of this one. Clearly the fleet never jumped to escape either a phantom or real Cylon attack since the start of the new season, so it must have occured in between.

 

Hook, line, sinker

Okay, that is what I managed to miss or forget.

The thing is that the writers really did surprise me with this revolt. That is, I didn't expect Gaeta to lead an uprising, although it does sort of make sense. Hats off to them on that one. Of course, this is the danger of following things too closely, and I'm not following them especially closely. After all, it's other people's blogs, not my own, where I turn up random links. Still, though, Gaeta turned up for an interview on the set of episode eighteen ("Islanded in a Stream of Stars"), so I didn't expect him dead at episode fourteen.

Talk about setting myself up.

 

Tiassa. When tyrol looked at the gouge.. I thought of your post.

 

Definitely. And the metaphor he spoke of is complete when you consider the Chief's cure. The ship can not survive without the aid of the Cylons, neither can what's left of mankind.

A lot of revelations tonight. The final five resurrected in orbit around earth after the nuclear war they saw coming and then came to the 12 colonies without the aid of FTL. So it seems it all started on Cobol, they had their Cylon rebellion, and the Cylons fleed to another planet they called earth while the humans founded the 12 colonies.

Ironically, the humans got along just fine while the Cylons nuked themselves.

While trolling around, I came across a site that claims that, based on the stars that were evident, several things have actually taken place in the sol system (the real one):

• The site of the Cylon civil war, making that planet be Jupiter. (This is also the site of Starbuck’s vision of where Earth is.)
• Also the location of the Demetrius, where it is met by Leoben’s heavy raider, fleeing that war
• Also the site of the rendezvous point between the fleet and the Demetrius
• The spot where Adama waits for Roslin and the base star that attacked the Hub to return
• The spot where the Tylium ship retreats to after they refuse to have Cylons upgrade their jump drive

Even more interesting, they claim that the site of the 13th colony called earth does not have the correct stars!

In several of these scenes, we are given very obvious Earth star patterns. That is to say, we see the “big 3” of constellations that even non-astronomers readily recognize. The Big Dipper, the W of Cassiopeia, and Orion.

But more telling is we don’t see the Earth sky anywhere else. In particular, not above the ruined home of the 13th colony, which they named Earth. And not in any other places along the way including early episodes. Hall used a really cool new star map detection system which will take any photo of stars and tell you where it is in our sky, or if it isn’t in our sky at all.​

http://ideas.4brad.com/battlestar
If this guy is right, I have to wonder if the writers are just fucking with us or this actually means something.

 

Great episode! Findally, some answers!

So the "final five" are actually humans who learned to upload themselves. Thus: they are more human than Cylon.

I love that we see the whole thing comes about by "John" who's on a vendetta against humanity because of his rage at not being "engineered" better. This part I love!

And can someone explain what I just didn't get: what happened on Cobol that drove humanity away, exactly? And what happened on the homeworld (whatever it was) that drove them away? What kind of war?

Thanks.

~String

 

I just watched it again, and I can answer my own questions.

I wasn't piecing it together right. Cobol, the original world, was advanced. Humans developed Cylons Mark I. They went to war with each other and then split up after destroying the world. Cylons Mark I went one way and humans another.

Cylons Mark I found "Earth" and began to advance. Cylons Mark I liked the idea of becoming more human but until they developed the ability to procreate, they used the "download" technique to recreate themselves. Eventually their drive to become more human made them abandon downloading until the Ellen re-discovered it and worked out how to do it again. All this happened while some major conflicting event began to take place on Earth that drove the Cylons Mark I to war with themselves. Anticipating this, a group of scientists (the original "final five") gave themselves the ability to download and merely resurrected themselves after Earth was nuked. Not having FTL ability, they went sublight and traced the steps of the humans who fled Cobol in the hopes of helping them prevent what would inevitably be a "full circle" of events.

Am I right so far?

~String

 

Looks like it. What's this about a cyclical thing? "It has happened before. It will happen again" in the opening moments.

 

It happened on Cobol thousands of years ago before the original diaspora.

~String