Bush going down as the worst POTUS in history!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Nov 10, 2008.

  1. Burada Registered Senior Member

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    Next question. Should Bush & Cheney see a little prison time for their misdeeds while in office? Most definetely.
     
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  3. PieAreSquared Woo is resistant to reason Registered Senior Member

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    Probably why the real reason Dick Cheney was in the wheelchair yesterday, playing on peoples sympathy.
     
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  5. Burada Registered Senior Member

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    Both Bush & Cheney should serve a little time in Gitmo. They 'earned' it for their eight years of 'dishonorable' public service.
     
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  7. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    As an ironic punishment, well deserved. But.

    If any actions did make the courts, Obama would use his optional right to grant a presidential pardon. He can do this at any time, not just when leaving office.

    This is not a time for such division.
    It would be a pointless side issue.
     
  8. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    This sort of attitude makes me wonder if the throngs yesterday were there out of love for Obama or hatred of Bush.
     
  9. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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  10. Mickmeister Registered Senior Member

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    It amazes me that the public is going to yell about the bad job that Bush did, yet all he did was represent what they wanted. By 2004, he had already showed his form of governing, yet the public re-elected him for another four years of misery. He only represented what Americans voted for. The public does not want to fess up to the fact that Americans elected him. I was shocked that he won the 2004 election. America got what they voted for!
     
  11. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    I suggest u do some research about how georgie came to power. In 2000 he lost the election. But came to power because of un precedented actions of the US Supreme Court. Most Americans did not vote for him. Second, if the Supreme Court had not intervened, he would not have had a first term.

    In 2004 his "election" is not clear. It appears that there was wide spread voter fraud...see the CBS news article.
     
  12. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    Most Americans didn't vote for Clinton, either. That's not how our political system works.

    And even the most ardent anti-Bushies went to Florida and couldn't organize a count that came out in their favor.

    When you go into quadruple overtime it means that either side can claim a win and whichever side loses will have valid arguments. Rubbing salt into the wound is senseless, and the negativity over the past 8 years has been horrible for everyone's morale.

    People need to learn how to be partisan during campaigns, then admit defeat and do everything in their power in support of the government, offering constructive criticism where they can. Amazingly, the hatred, venom, and mistreatment from the Left the last 8 years shamed the worst that the Right could do to Clinton. Now I fear that we are going to see the same bullshit directed towards Obama. I made the mistake of listening to some of Rush and Hannity's shows today and was outraged at Rush and disappointed with Hannity.

    Do you know what Rush Limbaugh was doing during his playing of the Inauguration? He was snickering and making editorial comments. Schools that randomly chose his station to listen to yesterday were shocked when his voice kept coming over the speech! Reportedly, kids were literally in tears over the crap.

    NO PRESIDENT deserves the treatment that Clinton OR Bush got. Even if they murder a bus full of nuns they deserve more respect than I have seen from people on the streets. And for 8 years it has been the party that claims to represent "peace", "progress", and "change". Absolutely disgusting.
     
  13. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    As I said, I think it would be helpful to do a little research on the 2000 Presidential election. First, if all of the Florida votes had been counted Bush would have lost.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000#Florida

    [edit] Post recount
    After Florida was decided, Texas Governor George W. Bush became the presumptive President-elect and began forming his transition committee. In a speech on December 13, in the Texas House of Representatives chamber,[39] Bush claimed he was reaching across party lines to bridge a divided America, saying, "the President of the United States is the President of every single American, of every race, and every background."[40]

    On January 6, 2001, a joint session of Congress met to certify the electoral vote. Twenty members of the House of Representatives, most of them Democratic members of the Congressional Black Caucus, rose one-by-one to file objections to the electoral votes of Florida. However, according to an 1877 law, any such objection had to be sponsored by both a representative and a senator. No senator would co-sponsor these objections, deferring to the Supreme Court's ruling. Therefore, Gore, who was presiding in his capacity as President of the Senate, ruled each of these objections out of order.

    Bush subsequently became the President-elect after the electoral votes from all 50 states and the District of Columbia were certified by the joint session of Congress. Bush took the oath of office on January 20, 2001.

    Ultimately, the Media Consortium hired the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago[41] to examine 175,010 ballots that were discounted; these ballots contained under-votes (votes with no choice made for president) and over-votes (votes made with more than one choice marked). Their goal was not to deduce who actually won the election but to determine the reliability and accuracy of the systems used for the voting process.

    In the aftermath of the election, the first independent recount was conducted by The Miami Herald and USA Today. The Commission found that if all votes where the intent of the voter was clear were counted, Gore would have won, using any consistent standard for 'clear intent of the voter.' But if one counts only "undervotes" (when the vote is not detected by machine), and chooses not to consider "overvotes" (when a ballot ends up with more than one indication of a vote, for example both a punch-out and hand-written name, even if the intent is clear and both indicate the same candidate)[42] Bush would have won in legally requested recount scenarios. The independent recount therefore led to a greater awareness of the issue of 'overvotes'.

    If all votes in Florida had been counted either under Florida law (which prescribes "intent of the voter"), under the rules requested by Bush, or under the request by Gore within a week of the election to count all the Florida votes, Gore would have won the election. However, under the recount initially requested by Gore to include four Florida counties but not the entire state, Bush would have won. [43]

    Bush did not win the popular vote, received fewer votes that Gore. Nor did he win the electorial votes, if all of the Florida votes had been properly counted. But partisan action by the Supremes gave the election to Bush Jr.

    2004 election was rife with fraud. Did I also mention that georgies brother illegally used a Republican hack organization to illegally remove Democrat voters from the election rolls?

    As for Limbaugh there is no excuse for him or his ilk. As for mistreatment of Clinton by Republicans, absoutely. Clinton did not deserve the treatment he received from Republicans. I think he scared the hell out of Republicans because on economic issues he was more conservative than they were.

    georgie junior earned every bit of disrespect sent his way and more...much more.
     
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    The negativity hasn't been half what it should have been, and it was the only thing maintaining a shred of dignity or "morale" in the American electorate.

    If W had been able to establish Gitmo, for example, without experiencing "negativity", this place would be in pretty bad shape.

    Bullshit. It hasn't been in the same ballpark, even. Where's our impeachment?
    If you are at this late date outraged at anything coming out of Limbaugh or Hannity, you've been asleep for fifteen years.
     
  16. Burada Registered Senior Member

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    Both!
     
  17. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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  19. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    That Olberman commentary was right on!! I agree Bush II and his supporters (including the Supremes that put him in power and the congressmen who supported him and empowered him) should pay for the damage they have inflicted on the people of The United States. Even if you took all of their assets, it would never even begin to pay for the physical damage much less the emotional damage inflicted under their reign.
     
  20. Burada Registered Senior Member

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    Hopefully, some strong willed members of the Senate will want to investigate the Bush administration to find out why they left the country 'upside down' when they left office. It's becoming pretty obvious that the U.S. 'is' headed into an economic depression thanks to the Bush adminstration and it's idiotic policies. The same administration that started the ridiculous Iraq war also helped shape the current downward economic spiral that the U.S. is currently in.
     
  21. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed, but the Bushies have left the country in such a state that they need to get the ship of state righted first. And I think the Bushies know that and are counting on that to keep them out of jail.
     
  22. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    The guy who threw shoes at Bush II is looking at 15 years in prison. I think that is a sad state of affairs. If Bush II were any kind of a man he would ask the government of Iraq to show mercy on this fellow. It would help improve the Bush II legacy. But the clown is just to dumb to see it.
     
  23. Burada Registered Senior Member

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    Bush isn't booking anymore trips to Bagdad anytime to soon. I guess he's figured out that there are still a lot of size 10 shoes over there. That goes for Cheney too. I'm sure there are a lot of Iraqis that would like to say thanks personally to both Bush & Cheney for destroying their country.
     

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