Objective Reality

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by fess, Nov 13, 2008.

  1. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Existence of something is easy enough to deal with. Produce an instance of it or an effect of it and you have a demonstration of somethings existence.
     
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  3. Mr. Hamtastic whackawhackado! Registered Senior Member

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    Yay! We agree again!"
     
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  5. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    I think you just supported Mr. Hamtastic's ideas about flickering between nothingness and somethingness. Your certainty just did this.

    It's odd, but the second sentence sounds like a moral question. And a good one.
     
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  7. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    There are no phenomenalists in fox holes.

    I direct this specifically at Glaucon.
     
  8. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I particle in superposition is one of 'n' clones where 'n' is limited by the total energy available. They constantly unclone / reclone as they move like a circular wave.

    So those superpositions are certainly something. One thought is that all objects go through superposition / collapse phases and observation seems to support this.
     
  9. Mr. Hamtastic whackawhackado! Registered Senior Member

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    I perceive that it is late, and I must begin to exist again but a few hours from now, so I'm going to gather up my toys and go lay down bed and stop existing. Not I will remain for your entertainment, of course. But not I will be entertaining not you, because you will not exist while I do not exist. Adieu for now!
     
  10. Mr. Hamtastic whackawhackado! Registered Senior Member

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    My point precisely. Thanks.
     
  11. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Oh? Never hear someone say "I thought it was supposed to work that way"? What about people with schizophrenia whom don't realize that others don't experience what they do (a malfunction)?

    You can take a before and after snapshot and consistently reproduce the absence of perception in the middle.

    I would base my information on both of our perceptions. I might even accept their conclusion depending on the importance / risk of the study.
     
  12. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Can't help ya there.

    You're forgiven but just this once. How about I inject you with general anesthetic and while you're out I'll paint your face like spider-man. What you wont perceive is the anesthetic properties but you will perceive a before and after spidey-fication.
     
  13. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    All I can say is... ain't it cool?
     
  14. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Well you could refer to the objective information the properties are describing... which would certainly be reasonable.
     
  15. Gustav Banned Banned

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    info as interpreted by whom/what?
     
  16. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    information requires someone to be informed. It is yet another word that has subject and object already in relationship coiled up in it or in its use.
     
  17. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, sorry, you got there first.
     
  18. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    My point was that it cannot be epi, it has to be central. Every single map made of the universe is made by it and these maps use properties only it can understand. The experiencer must stand in the center, everything else you believe in is dependent on it and its effectiveness.
     
  19. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    When they are in superposition they are not.

    I mean what is potential that is not actual in the present moment?
     
  20. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Sleep Fairy. I don't know that I exist when I sleep. There's no thought (dreams aside).

    Organ (including mammalian brain) that your skull is protecting.

    It's a self-evident observation. A theory is the result of creativity and intellect combined to model something that is rooted in empirical observation.

    Combining particles and antiparticles makes things go boom!

    Just don't hug "Not I" are you're going to have just a wee bit of heat and light released.
     
  21. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Info that can exist independent of interpretation.
     
  22. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Naturally I am referring to information that can be independent of human perception.
     
  23. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    If it was central I wouldn't be able to turn it off, alter it, or damage it when addressing the brain... yet I can.
     

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