9/11 Conspiracy Thread (There can be only one!)

Yes they fucked up when they ran with the story which is why they withdrew it (first time ever). Fucking up, or recanting sheds no light on the truth of the story.

You misunderstood my original point, in that the FBI changed their list a long time before these two news reports you mentioned.

click the "Look Inside" link and read page 3, Jay Kolar's introduction.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/158322825X/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link

 

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It certainly does, if they've identified them correctly in the first place. By "doesn't shed any light" you actually mean "doesn't support the Troofer belief", which is not the same thing.

 

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Thank goodness I got Jim Marrs "The Terrorist Conspiracy" back from the library once more. Here's some good exerpts:

Page 20-21:
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What about the hijackers themselves?

Lending support to the contention that al Qaeda has been overblown as a monolithic terrorist network is a lengthy series of disturbing questions concerning the 9/11 hijackers themselves, as well as the apparent obfuscation of the facts in the official government account.

The day following 9/11, FBI director Robert Mueller announced some astonishingly swift police work. "We have, in the last twenty-four hours, taken the [passenger] manifests and used them in an evidentiary manner. And have successfully, I believe, identified many of the hijackers on each of the four flights that went down", he told newsmen. Sounding like a 1940s police detective, Mueller added, "We will leave no stone unturned to find those responsible for the tragedies".
Yet, at the same time, Mueller acknowledge that the list of named hijackers might not contain their real names.
An obvious set of questions arises from this scenario: If they used aliases, how did the FBI identify them so quickly? How did the FBI learn the names of five of the hijackers and obtain their photographs the day of the attacks? And where did agents obtain the names and locations of businesses and restaurants used by the hijackers by that same afternoon?
Not one of the accused hijackers' names appeared on the passenger lists made public by American or United airlines. In fact, as many as seven of those named as the culprits in the attacks were soon found alive and well in the Middle East.
Saudi pilot Waleed al-Shehri was identified by the US Justice Department as one of the men who crashed American Flight 11 into the WTC. But a few days later, Waleed al-Shehri contacted authorities in Casablanca, Morocco, to proclaim that he was very much alive and played no part in the attacks. He said he did train as a pilot in the United States but left the country in September 200, to become a pilot with Saudi Arabian Airlines. Strangely, the 9/11 Commission Report speculates in its opening pages that al-Shehri must have been the man responsible for stabbing one of the flight attendants on Flight 11.
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"It was proved that five of the names included in the FBI list had nothing to do with what happened", announced Saudi Arabia's foreign minister Prince Saud al--Faisal, after meeting with President Bush on September 20, 2001.

Mueller acknowledged within days of the attacks that the identities of the hijackers were in doubt but this gained little notice in the rush to publicize the culprits. Despite initially saying that he was "fairly confiddent that the published names of the hijackers were correct, Mueller later admitted, "The identification process has been complicated by the fact that many Arab family names are similar. It is also possible that the hijackers used false identities".

Since Saudi Arabia's foreign minister claimed five of the proclaimed hijackers were not aboard the death planes and in fact are still alive, and a sixth man on that list was reported to be alive and well in Tunisia, why are these names still on the FBI list? These same names were used in the final report of the 9/11 Commission with no attempt to clarify the name confusion. In fact, its report goes into considerable detail throughout its pages about the supposed sinister activities of these men, apparently oblivious that numerous mainstream media sources such as the Associated Press and the BBC had long ago established that they were not on the flights.
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I like how the author of this thread says 'conspiracy' as if it's a lie.

 

Welcome to the thread DM...feel free to jump right in..just try to keep it "above the belt"

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Thank goodness I noticed some of the dates on your cites.

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Of course, the entire affair was completely refuted afterwards:

Whew! That could have been embarassing, eh? I'd recommend you read those newspaper sources, but, well, you know.

Best,

Geoff

 

BTW: it's spelled "excerpts".

Cheers,

Geoff

 

So this means that you believe in the official story or you don't? I too welcome you to the thread

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Ok, wait a second, are you saying that because their source of information were arab papers that their information is no longer valid? I certainly don't subscribe to that notion. As to the other points, perhaps there was confusion. As I've said before, I'm strongest on the WTC collapses; I'm just getting into the hijackers issue.

 

No, that they didn't research their position.

 

Sounds like they researched it to me:
"...the report was based on articles in Arab newspapers, such as the Arab News, an English-language Saudi newspaper."

 

But even the Saudis acknowledge that that information was crap.

 

Official Mystery Concrete

NORMAL demolitions don't shoot material out in that manner. WTC7 was a normal demolition.

The media and our engineering schools can't demand a table specifying the TONS of STEEL and TONS of CONCRETE on every level of the towers. Can buildings that tall be constructed without figuring out such simple information before digging the holes for the foundations? How did the NIST write a 10,000 page report without even specifying the quantity of CONCRETE?

psik

 

Which Saudis in particular? And can I have your source?

 

I don't imagine that would be very hard to estimate. You can go on various websites to see exactly how each floor was constructed.

Not sure what an idiot like yourself would use the data for.

 

How did a brilliant individual like yourself come to the conclusion that the top 16 levels of the north tower could come straight down, break the supports of th masses below in sequence and cause that mass to accelerate faster than gravity would have because a falling mass would have a velocity greater than gravity would impart immediately, without even asking the mass distribution that the top would have to move all of the way down?

It is one of those conservation of momentum things combined with the energy loss of breaking supports.

m1v1 + m2v2 = (m1 + m2)v3

v2 = 0 since each level below is stationary.

I did a computation with "magical" supports that disappeared on impact. The collapse times changed simply by altering distribution of mass.

http://letsrollforums.com/magical-collapse-calculations-t17456.html

psik

 

I'm guessing your math scared responders away; I admit I really don't understand it, laugh

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. Anyway, feel free to continue with your arguments over in my WTC Collapses thread; although you may want to go light on the math if you want us mere mortals to understand you ;-).

 

Hey...since we have all the other 9/11 thread now...anyone object to laying this one to rest?

 

Well, actually this thread is still quite good as a resource, but yeah, I think we could try to transfer any discussions that used to take place here elsewhere

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