Bush going down as the worst POTUS in history!

joepistole

But they are trying as hard has they can... to transfer over to obama ASAP! :mufc:

 

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Woodrow Wilson was probably the worst, followed by F.D. Roosevelt, followed by Johnson. They all were war happy men who greatly contributed to government fiscal irresponsibility. Bush stood on their shoulders which is why he looks so bad.

 

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Oddly enough it was Clinton's surpluses which made Bush's misadventures possible.

 

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Reagan I agree with and possibly Harding as well. However anyone with even one watt recognizes that as a President, Nixon was definately one of the best. Clinto was well above average and Lincoln again was among the best. Now Carter is definately the worst, not becuase of what he did, but becuase of his failures to act.

 

Clinton's surpluses were illusion. he was counting the Social Secuirity revenue in with everything else when he claimed we had a surplus.

 

Regardless of how you want to view the pie, Clinton did much better than any Republican.

 

No, Clinton was not even remotely in the same league as Nixon or Lincoln. And remember we have had several great republican presidents, just like we have had great democrat president.

 

I don't think you could put Lincoln in the same category as modern Republicans. Lincoln being a man of integrity and honesty would not want to bear the Republican label. Nixon had some foriegn policy successes but was a free spending Republican who did his share to grow government and the national debt...not to mention his issues with violating his oath of office and The Consitution of the United States. If you are proud of Nixon then there is a vast ocean that seperates us. Nixon was a paranoid. Nixon would have been a dictator if left to his own vices. And I for one, do not want a dictatorship in this country. I took an oath to defend the country from all enemies foriegn and domestic and though I do not wear the uniform today, I am still bound by that oath and will be until the day they put me in the ground.

 

Have you ever read the news articles about Lincoln when he was alive?
the opininons expressed by th eDemocrats of his administration and Policies?

Yes, what a joke:

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This ominous cartoon appeared in Fun, the British humor magazine, after Abraham Lincoln’s reelection. The president is depicted as a vengeful warmonger whose prosecution of the Civil War has resulted in extensive loss of life for no apparent gain to the nation.

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Yes joe, Lincoln was so well thought of by the Press, the Democrats, and the World, time and history has a way of changing opinions of who were the Great Leaders are.

joe do you know anything about history?

 

When the Republicans represented the Northern, elitist, better educated, and more liberal parts of the country, we had a couple of great Republican presidents.

Since the Old Confederacy switched to the Republican Party in national elections, we have had no great Republican presidents - in fact, no average to OK ones. Lousy, the lot.

There were many people in Lincoln's time, including the press, the World, and most of the citizenry of the US, who thought Lincoln was a great president. Even his enemies thought of him as effective, competent, and therefore dangerous.

 

Not since Ike.

 

Buffalo Roam you are off topic again...setting up another strawman. When did I say that Lincoln did not have opponents or critics while in office? Simple, I never said it. So your entire post is like your others, POINTLESS!

Let me go back and restate what I said for you. I said Lincoln would be disgusted with the Republican Party as it has been for these last 20 years. From that, how do yo get that I said Lincoln had no critics? I think you need to take off the filters and start seeing things as they are not as you would have them be.

 

What clue you in that it was a strawman? Was it that half the union seceeded after he was elected and made war with the other half? Or that he was assassinated? I mean dam Buffalo get your foot out of your mouth!

 

Really? well Lincoln did the same things in his war, and more, and I was pointing out that the world and Democrats were name calling him and attacking his policys in the same manner as the liberals and Democrats of today are.

No Straw Man joe, you love too use that word to dismiss thing that you can't respond to, the fact is that President Bush like President Lincoln did what was necessary to protect the Country.

The exact same things that you praise in President Lincoln for and say made him a great President are and were done By President Bush;

President Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus, in 1861 and 1862.

Remarks by Justice Sandra Day O'Connor

You scream bloody murder about President Bush, but praise President Lincoln.

Has President Bush even gone as far as President Lincoln?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/adams3.html

Yes, joe, do you know your history? from what you have displayed so far it doesn't appear so.

Yes, President Lincoln was and is one of the Great Presidents in History, and He is great because He did what was necessary in a time of Crisis to protect the Nation, that is where history will judge President Bush, Necessity and Crisis, and Protection of the Nation.

Now will Obama screw this up and lose the War in Iraq, Snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory?

Blow up the situation in Pakistan, by rash in ill thought out policy towards Pakistan?

We will see, and then history will be the judge, and hopefully it will be U.S. historians who write and judge that History.

 

Now exactly what do you think you are saying?

You not makeing any sense?

Your lack of historical knowledge is apparent, and like joe you couldn't recognize a Straw Man, (ps: its Straw Man, two words, not Strawman)
if it was set on fire under your butt.

 

Take a class in logic Mr. Buffalo!

Two, take a look at my post (post #48). And then look at all of you subsequent posts. Now how do they even remotely address what I wrote in post number 48? You responded by attributing false hoods to me (typical Hannity and Limbabugh Response).

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2089204&postcount=48

To make things simple for you Mr. Buffalo below is a link that defines what a straw man error in logic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

 

I have always preferred this web site for fallacy explaining:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

 

Very good link Electric. I hope it helps Mr. Buffalo. But then again, the he is really into the koolaid. I hear this fallacy all the time on talk radio. It is a favorite of the Hannities and Limbaughs of the air waves.

 

Still nothing to adress to the debate, huh joe?

 

Joe you are the one building Straw Men, that Lincoln a well respected President in History, was respected in his own time, and what I showed was that he was attacked and denigrated just as badly in his time, by partisan hack Democrats as President Bush is attacked by partisan Democratic Hacks, in our time.

President Lincoln would have agreed with President Bush, that the Country comes first, there were many thing that President Lincoln did during the Civil War, that you scream and moan about President Bush doing in the war on terror, Like the Fact that President Bush see no need for Habius Corpus for Terrorist, President Lincoln suspended habius Corpus right several time during the Civil War, and kept them suspended for many of those people, for the duration of the war in many cases, Hell he even issued a arrest warrant for the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

I can hear you now if President Bush ever did such a thing, you and the Democrats would have the lynch rope hung from the tree. no trial, you would choke hang President Bush and cheer.

Yes, you know about as much of History as a pissant.

Under President Lincoln administration, there was a prison far worse than any thing imagined from Abu Ghribe, there were a half a dozen such prisons in the North:


http://www.censusdiggins.com/prison_camp_douglas.html

And you were screaming for President Bush's head, well President Lincoln Presided over POW that were far and away worse than Abu Ghribe,or Guantanamo Bay, and yet you hold President Lincoln up as a shining example of a Great President, again I agree with you He was a great President, but He and His administration did what ever was necessary to preserve the Union, and used methods that were far harsher than anything done to POW, and Terrorist of today.

It was History who judged Lincoln as a Great President, after he was assassinated, and time had passed, so you musings that President Bush will go down in History as Americas worst President, are premature musings of a partisan, bigoted, sprained mind, of a Kool Aid Drinking Liberal Democrat.

History, not you or any one here will be the Judge of President Bush, and that Judgement hasn't had the time to be made, lets see in a decade, where President Bush standing is in history.

Yes joe the real history of Lincoln's Presidency, with all the warts, scars, and ulcerations of a war to protect the Nation.

That is why I still think you are wannabe.