Have we lost our Country?

Is it so, that the last election proves that America has become occupied by minds foreign to that of Americans?

Or is it so, that "educators" have finally succeeded in dumbing down enough people in order to match their low level of intelligence, that we have lost our discernment between right and wrong?

 

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Maybe it's neither.

"Either, Or" scenarios so often miss the real truth.

~String

 

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Well the SAT and the ACT scores have been dropping steadily,

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What I see is that thing have dropped to the point that we aren't educating those of Majority Students, any more than we are educating our Minority Students.

If you can't speak, read, think in a logical manner, and comprehend, your always going to be sucking hind tit.

Those are the biggest weakness that I see in our education system today.

 

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At the last election they rejected an anti-american interventionist foreign policy stance designed to kill as many brown people as possible without recourse to diplomacy.

They rejected an anti-american internal policy of drastically reducing personal freedom and personal choice

They rejected anti-american and unconstitutional moves towards theocracy

They embraced policies designed to bring health and security to the maximum number of people


seems the american sense of right and wrong are alive and well - and the fact they they weren't fooled un unpatriotic unamerican fundamentalist republicans seems to speak well for their imntelligence

 

Many onlookers would say " you've elected an intellectual anti-war minority figure and now the world can see America is wanting to be a progressive nation working towards peace."
Almost as if with one election we've killed three birds with one stone (for lack of a better phrase).Much like our media is trying to convey that "now the world loves us again".
This view is of course, very simplistic and one dimensional. Furthermore, it ignores history.
Unfortunately,the world is no less dangerous now than ever. Not for the USA, and not for the perceived enemies or allies of the USA.
One of those dangers you've touched on quite accurately. That being a push to move away from the notion of Higher Law by the intellectual crowd.

Of course, a quick stroll through this fine site will show you that this is perceived as the countries largest battlefront by many people. Some have even conceded that, like all action, there is an opposite reaction to the pushing of atheism, equal to and maybe even greater than the first.

I'm going stop with my favorite examples of Higher Law and the 2 rules held by all religions that are echoed through nature and required for any society to exist , human or otherwise. (as recorded by R. Maybury)

1. Do all you agree to do. (basis for contractual law)
2. Do not encroach on others (basis for criminal Law)

Our country has failed to follow the two rules for many years. As long as we continue to do so we will see a degradation in our standards of living and relationships with others.
In the same way, we need to break from mingling with other countries that have no concept or refuse to follow these same basic principles.


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I'm going stop with my favorite examples of Higher Law and the 2 rules held by all religions that are echoed through nature and required for any society to exist , human or otherwise. (as recorded by R. Maybury)

1. Do all you agree to do. (basis for contractual law)
2. Do not encroach on others (basis for criminal Law)

Thus, the third option...the option I feared to present.
Thomas Paine wrote, " A Nation not governed by God will be ruled by Tyrants"

Has this become the case?

 

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Thomas Paine was an idiot with clearly no sense of the present and no knowledge of history

Wherever you go in the world today theocratic states are always the most backward and barbaric - same goes for the past - when kings and queens claimed to be directly appointed by god, bloodshed usually followed pretty quickly - that's why people moved to the the New World (now called the USA) for religious freedom in the first place - they wanted to escape the corrupt theocratic regimes of europe - attempting to take the USA back into a medieval form of government is not only unconstitutional and unamerican, it is an insult to the founding fathers of the nation.

A prime example was when GWB used god as an excuse to kill brown people in order to make himself and his friends richer ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml ) - do you really want more of that brand of fake christianity in the whitehouse?

 

Declining educational standards favor conservatives

We might note that declining educational standards have favored conservative outcomes. One striking example is the fight over gay marriage. As courts from California to Connecticut, and even Iowa in between, have struck down laws demanding discrimination, conservatives have lamented "legislation from the bench", "activist judges", and "rejection of the will of the people". Any basic civics education, any simple examination of the history of the United States, would include the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land and ensures equal protection of everyone under its jurisdiction. Indeed, that point also applies to Guantanamo subjects; when the Bush administration insisted they were not POWs (in order to evade our obligations under the Geneva Conventions), they became persons subject to constitutional protections. To respond that, "they're terrorists", has meant thus far that people have convicted them without trial in order to justify this stripping of their rights.

In any of these cases, what conservatives have wanted does not reflect how the Constitution functions. And yet we are expected to entertain pabulum rhetoric as if it was a legitimate argument, in large part because it appears people don't understand the basic structures of our government.

Should we pass a law outlawing Catholicism? Perhaps we could torture Catholics in order to force them to tell us which children are being raped. What's that? The First Amendment says we can't outlaw Catholicism? We have laws against torture? Catholics are subject to other protections, including equal protection under the law? Well and fine. That would be exactly correct.

If people passed such a law, and the courts struck it down, would we complain that the will of the people has been violated?

 

Nonsense.

far far far more children are molested in public schools- probably on a daily basis. should we ban going to school? while you are at it why not take kids away from their parents as well? Every day, over the world.

North, South, East and West.

 

My country is the world, and my religion is to do good.
Thomas Paine​

 

He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death.
Thomas Paine ​

 

A quick Google of that Paine quote shows it also being attributed to William Penn. I strongly doubt that Paine said it. But he did say this:

Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon that the Word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and for my own part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.
-- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)

 

Tom Paine is awesome. No, we haven't lost our country, and Obama is not irreligious, much to my distaste. We had been hijacked by a party that did not have the interests of the people at heart. They started a war for power and profit, and it has ruined us.

 

i doubt either one were that simple.

 

I think if you checked the votes for President Bush, you'd see that he "hijacked" no one ....especially the voters.

If you can say that about President Bush, then what's the difference in this election? Have "we" been hijacked by Osama?

I do love your reference to "the interests of the people" ....which "people" are you referring to? And what of the voters who voted for McCain? ...aren't they also "the people"?

With the backing and approval of almost all of the Democrats in congress. You seem to convienently forget that. Why? And that's not even to mention all of "the people" who also backed the wars.

Baron Max

 

Hey I was just winding up the crazy deluded fundaligionazi - since when was that not allowed?

 

yeah but at least 90% of that is gibberish.

 

I disagree, they were fooled by slander and wedge issues into voting against their own best interests. That's what Republicans do.

No, he hasn't been trying to fool anyone.

You mean what interests? I mean the ones that are closest to home, the economy, war, health care, life and death. Not the pledge of allegience or gay marriage.

The McCain campaign tried to slander Obama's character because they were weak on the issues. Same script, but it didn't work.

The Democrats weren't trying to fool anyone. They were fooled, and to that extent, they are accountable. Bush lied about the proof for WMDs, they were "certain", they "knew where they were". They were lying the whole time.

 

Not at all they are valid criticisms of the previous pres - whether you agree with those criticism or not they are an order of magnitude or seven less gibberish than the deluded verbal diarhea of the fundaligionazi OPer