Star Wars vs Star Trek

i'll try to present my impressions

1. i am actually quite fond of SW shields. a was always under impression that if ST battleships had 1-1 weapon/shield ratio it went more like 1-3 or 4 for SW. my only disliking goes to the dual nature. whenever in history of warfare things got on the complexity instead of unity, some efficiency was lost.

now as to your question on how long it would take to find the weakspots, well depends on they crew, ships involved and era. but as a general rule, i'd say SW would have advantage in the first contact and early encounters, while ST would fare better in later engagements, after they get some time to analise any weakneses (after all this is now rebels got thier chances thanks to the empire's rigidness).

2. the ST shields are a bit twitchy. they get their ability to rotate shield modulations in TNG BoBW 1&2, but it apears it does not become standard issue on GCSs untill well into DS9 second season. even so, noone aboard E-D seamed to though abot it during the Soren's incident. so do all ships have it? the later designs probably, but what about all those Excelsiors and Miranda's? Ambasadors and Nebulas? these form the bulk of UFP ships. what i do hate most in SW shields is the lack of 100% protection against all threats. it looks like there is allways at least some damage (even if "no damage" is heard on screen) getting through, at least as a form of positive feedback on the grid and it's subsecuent strain. in other words, even if a weapon does not "scratch" the shield, the shield if active long enough, would fail on its own (sometimes in maner of minutes,hours,days but eventually will fail).

3. i think Q are most likely to open a betting house or sell tickets

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1. maybe because the energy quoted does not apear anywhere on screen (at least the effects)

2. was warp 10 not achieved through coaxial warp?

 

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Actually, Trek shields are quite flexible. Engineers can boost the shields to many times the ship weapon output. Further, the power reserved for the SIF can be rerouted to deflector shields (actually any power system can be rerouted but that's another discussion). The default may be 1 to 1, but it's variable.

Especially with a Seven of Nine on board

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As before, the strength of ST shields does not wholly depend on rotating shield frequencies. Nebula starships are capable of this, but not too sure about the older ones. In ST, one notes that starships with intent to ram won't be stopped by the weapons shields, and the point would be moot if that attacking ship reaches the SIF

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However SW shields appear to have zero effect, and indeed are a waste of power systems. Weapons fire continually hit bare metal and cause mechanical failures, sparks etc. Far less for physical assaults.

As noted in ST Voyager: Death Wish, even though John De Lancie's Q is something like Loki, the Q Continuum exists to promote order in the (ST) universe. An event such as being overrun by SW would probably be cause for some concern...

 

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According to Star Wars.com deflectors on fighters are not full coverage. They shield against specific vectors because they do not have the power for a complete shield.

On the other hand the Falcon landed on a shielded bridge tower in ESB. Apparently SD's don't have particle shields. But star wars proponents say the deflector blocked several floating asteroids. Since the Falcon's landing was obvious then likely the asteroid incident wasn't what it appreared to be.

 

SW proponents always claim shields...it's one of the best Trek advantages that they attempt to borrow.

 

corection, i ment ST shields. this is what happenes when replying on your cofee break

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I just thought of something...

What would happen if a trek ship were to extend it's warp field around a Wars ship while the ship attempted to jump to hyperspace... would the computer auto-shutdown the jump to lightspeed?

 

i think i remember a scene in RoTJ where an out of control Tie-Fighter rams it's own ISD tower and explodes before reaching it, while no weapon fire is opserved. in the same movie several interceptors ram a Calanari cruiser and suffer similar fate. at leas in this case, particle shielding seams present.

 

most likely. it would allso prevent hyperjumps if there are continous warp field changes in the proximity (like micro warp jumps, sub-space anomalies and similar). warp fields do change the gravitational constant after all.

interdicting hyperdrive is relatively simple task in EU. the movies don't show it though.

 

1.yes i know, but several (and probably all SW ships can divert power allso). i was refering to the default state.

2. as far as ramming actions in ST go, i'd say that maybe shields are at work. i mean if you can tune your shield to the enemy shield it might be possible to "slip under" it, or at least cancel a big portion of its effectivness. probably a similar tactic could be used in SW (without the tuning part).

however at least the fighters in SW don't have any particle shielding, thus they are somewhat deprived of succesfull ramming actions against capital ships.

 

I don't think the tie hit anything...and in the case of the Mon Cal ships the ship exploded in the interrior...if there were damage to the vessel we never get a chance to see it.

 

So that means Hyperdrive is... useless... lol.

Guess I should explain -

Travelers (ya know, the things Wesley became?) can change the gravitational constant of vast regions of space pretty much at will.

Q can change the gravitational constant of the UNIVERSE at will.

Trek ships and Stations have warp fields they can modify the shape, size, and intensity of...

Hell, we have seen in TOS MINES (klingon Gravity mines) that can be used to fuck with gravity...

So, yeah... there goes Star Wars ONLY Advantage.

 

i think it might have colided with a particle shield and in the second case, a rather confomative particle shield (maybe a bay-shield).

 

well useless as far as rapid retreats are at stake. but they can still use it relatively unhindered in interstelar travel. besides, it might not be a good idea to get too close to the ISD. after all ISDs are best suited for close range broadside barages, while most ST ship (with Defiant being an exception) are best suited for eighter medium range flybuys or long range torpedo bombardement.

 

Just to clarify...the default state is 1 to 1 against an attacking ship correct?...i.e. if attacked by a Warbird, the UFP starship's shields go up with enough power to deflect standard Warbird disruptors. Etc...

 

Easy way around this: Use warp-capable shuttlecraft (or Delta Flyers even)

Simply have one of them land on the ISD's bridge tower. Right over the windows. Heh... sure, blow it away - and blow away your own bridge sucaks!

 

yes something like that, but more in the direction of 1 GCS's shields can take on the entire alpha strike of another GCS and the ship will survive, allthough the shields might drop. it's actually one of the real-life definitions for a battleship, to be able to survive it's own firepower.

 

not always Antaran - the old WW2 German BB Bismark would never last against it's own guns... but it wound up being "taken out" by a fast cruiser (damaged the rudder, sot he crew scuttled it)

Another Example - the Florida Class (USS FLorida) is another example.

 

can't say about the Florida (was it a WWI ship?), but Bismark was quite well armoured fot its time. it was still floating after an entire British flotila got the best of her. the only reason why she got nailed was because of that lucky torpedo shot in the stern. take Hood on the other hand (allthough probably taken by a lucky shot too) she had far less armour then what she could penetrate, which effectively makes her a battlecruiser. the line does become dificult to draw with the rise of the fast battleship just before WWII, since BBs become as fast as BCs, but the armour diference (full armour belt and armoured decks for the BB) was still a major diference.

i think in ST terms, this would be like comparing Galaxy and Nebula classes.

 

How does this save a Federation vessel against an attack that has an output greater than the energy capabilities of the entire ship? We're still back to SW shooting through the shields like they are barely there.

Really, you saw every shot fired in TPM, AotC, RotS, ANH, ESB, and RotJ? You saw every shot fired in the space battles? Funny, I didn't. Like every other person here I saw the story important shots. Which would be the one that pounded through the shields. Which is the same thing yopu get in fleet battles in Star Trek. If we saw every shot on every ship, watching the battle would take hundreds of times longer than the battle would have.

Why? It's just more humans. More enlightened and advanced humans. In fact i daresay the Q would welcome the Empire with open arms.