Crystal Cave

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  1. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    The crystal structure for metallic gold is face centred cubic FCC (see right) This crystal structure contributes to gold's very high ductility since FCC lattices are particularly suitable for allowing the movement of dislocations in the lattice. Such dislocation movement is essential for achieving high ductility.

    http://www.utilisegold.com/uses_applications/properties_of_gold/
     
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  3. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I'm completely baffled.. awesome crystals !!

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  5. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    I'm curious about that too.
    There are pictures of people walking around in there wearing T-shirts.
     
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  7. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe he was in a hotspot.. there apparently is hot magma beneath the cave.
     
  8. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    There is no unambiquous evidence for it, and even your own sources acknowledge that the idea is at best controversial.

    No, there is no direct unambiquous evidence for it, the earth expanding relies on another idea being valid.

    Strawman, I didn't say that crystals don't grow. You're qouting me out of context.

    Neither do I, that's why I did not attend a Catholic school.
    Are you suggesting that when I made my coffee this morning, that the mass of the coffee in my cup (before I drank it) was different from the mass of the coffee granules I used, combined with the mass of the hot water I dissolved them in, and the mass of the cold water I used to temper it with?

    No. It's an idea that was put forward to explain an observation that has other explanations.

    The real issue is that you have yet to produce a substantial model made of more then supposition.

    The real issue is that you routinely lie, quote people out of context, and present fallacies and factually inaccurate articles, or articles written by discredited authors, or abour discredited ideas, as if they were scientific fact.

    Gibberish, and wrong, for example - It's Nickle 62 that has the highest binding energy per nucleon.

    Only if you're ignorant. I've had this argument before, and it's as a result of an inability to view the whole picture.

    For example, building up a Fe-56 Nucleus from protons, using the various nucleosynthetic pathways results in the generation of nearly 200 other particles as by products.

    Get that? In order to produce an atom that contains 56 particles, you have to create nearly 200 particles (including photons) as by products. So much for it violating entropy.

    No it isn't. It's a controversial idea that lacks in verifiable, repeatable experiments.

    More abuse and psuedo religous incoherrent babble.
    You say this to anyone who disagrees with you.
    You do a better job of coming across as a religous zealot then I ever will, especially when you come out with comments like the above.

    No it isn't.
    No stream of Neutrinos has been detected.
    No mechanism exists from stopping things blowing up.
    This idea has potentially less worth than the fusion ones.

    Wait, now you're saying that all three processes occur in the earth?

    No it isn't. Dinosaurs weren't the only form of Megafauna to exist.

    A statement you've made repeatedly, and has been corrected for you equally often.

    Not to mention (again) the fact that one of the models you've presented requires subduction to occur.
     
  9. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    So now not only can Earth support fusion in it's core, but it's capable of doing things that not even stars can do.

    Wow.
     
  10. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Wow.. !! OIM is so smart !
     
  11. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Yes, all metals are crystalline (except, obviously, the ones that are liquid at room temp, as they do not form solids at room temp, but even mercury forms Rhombohedral crystals when it's frozen, and Plutonium has a primitive cubic structure, for example).
    Yes, metal crystals can be grown, as anyone who has managed a telephone exchange can tell you - I don't know if it's still a problem, but they used to have problems with the contacts sprouting whiskers, which would eventually short out the relays.

    However, like every other crystaline material, it's possible to make metallic glasses (something that has been achieved relatively recently, and has been surprisingly difficult).
     
  12. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    I think that supernovas are how heavy elements are released from stars, not how the heavy elements are formed. White dwarf stars are both extremely dense and extremely hot. They have millions of years to cook heavy elements. That so many tons per cubic centimeter and a billion degrees seems adequate to the task.
     
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    That would be part of my point.
    OIM is claiming that the Earth can produce Gold through Fusion.
    Stars only produce elements up to Iron by fusion, because producing anything heavier than Iron by fusion uses energy, it doesn't liberate it.
    It's the creation of the Iron core in stars that leads to the star exploding.

    There are, however, two proccesses that operate inside a sufficiently large star.

    The S process acheives nucleosynthesis of heavy elements by procdeeding along the line of β-capture stability.
    The S-process is capable of producing elements as heavy as Bi-209.
    The S-Process requires a relatively low Neutron flux, but requires the star to be hot enough to be burning Carbon.

    The R process acheives Nucleosynthesis of heavy elements by proceeding along the neutron drip line.
    The R-Process requires a high flux of neutrons with high energy, and is capable of producing transuranic elements.
    Needless to say, the R-process only occurs during a supernova.

    Hence. The Earth doing something that stars can not do - producing Gold by fusion.
     
  14. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    We can grow crystals so why not grow gold ones?:shrug:
     
  15. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    We can.

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    http://www.mindat.org/loc-13476.html
     
  16. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    You say all of that due to ignorance and a lack of education. Denying the existence of fusion is typical of your thinking. It places you firmly in the last century of primitives and savages who had no understanding of the universe and who hadn't even put a man in space.
     
  17. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    But it states in the link

    "A small mining operation run by Ed Muceus. This operation is starting to produce some very finely crystallized gold in the form of free-growing gold crystals (arborescent, hopper, tabular) with free-growing quartz rock crystals, including doubly-terminated, in clay-filled cavities. This is perhaps a very unique occurrence since, when the mud is removed, the free-growing gold crystals and free-growing, water-clear quartz crystals present magnificent specimens."

    So we aren't growing them, nature is. Why can't humans grow them?:shrug:
     
  18. Steve100 O͓͍̯̬̯̙͈̟̥̳̩͒̆̿ͬ̑̀̓̿͋ͬ ̙̳ͅ ̫̪̳͔O Valued Senior Member

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    What's the point?
    You cant grow gold out of anything other than gold.
     
  19. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    for christ sake, who said metals are crystals????
    didnt you learn any chem at all
    metals FORM cystals when in ionic bonds, they are called mineral SALTS (just like the sodium cloride sitting in your kitchen)
     
  20. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I was wondering if it was a giant geode. Are there other caves like this? Why is it so hot? And are they wearing the masks for breathing purposes or contamination purposes.

    Did anyone here watch the special? (I forgot :shy

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  21. Steve100 O͓͍̯̬̯̙͈̟̥̳̩͒̆̿ͬ̑̀̓̿͋ͬ ̙̳ͅ ̫̪̳͔O Valued Senior Member

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    Most metals are crystalline. You try learning.
     
  22. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    no metals are elements, period.

    Crystals are ionic molicules formed when a metal shares an electron with a non metal such as cloride. Further more they can be desolved in a solution where the ionic bonds break and they float as electrolites. This alowes an electric current to flow through as it does through sea water.

    HOWEVER METALS CANT GROW and its rediculas to think that the total volume of ANY element can be changed by water
     
  23. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    Thank you, Trippy. I was just rambling.
     
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