Star Wars vs Star Trek

The cube can also target multiple ships at once. This is an average of couse, some ships took longer and some surely went down faster (Exelsior, Miranda, Ambassador...).

 

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You're right. Several TNG episodes showed short circuiting when the Enterprise approached over active stars.
However starships are known for traveling through Ion Storms aswell. See (TOS)

Also there might have been a change in technology. Voyager should no such disturbances when traveling through the intense magnetic and gravitational field of a Binary Pulsar.

I imagine that is the benefit of Bio-neural circuitry.

Exactly. It appears to be an adaptation. The Tritanium was layered in the next Borg ships instead of layed down and dispersed.

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Thanks, I've had my moments too.

If that's true then you were the inspiration.

Note:

The fire power of the First Borg Cube in comparison to the Rebel Borg vessel in TNG: Descent can not be determined as strong or weaker.

It can be said it is smaller and likely less dense.

 

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well trekkies claim that all the time :bugeye: so i used it on the borg for a change

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666 it's gonna be the page from hell. oh no st gonna win lmao

 

Uhm... the reason Picard was certain the Ent-E would tip the scales is simple:

It was DESIGNED TO FIGHT THE BORG.

Quantum Torpedoes... hello? Type 12 Phaser emitters? THE ONLY SHIP THAT WAS AVAILABLE WITH THEM? The USS Sovereign was nowhere around!

The only other anti-borg vessels there were

Defiant (1 ship)
Akira (1, maybe 2)
Sabre (1 I saw, and it's tiny frigate)
Norway (blown up)
Nebula (not really anti-borg)

They had no Galaxies or Prometheus or Intrepids... and at this point in time the Q-torp was relatively new and in short supply so the Akiras didn't carry them. The Defiant was beat to hell, and the Sabre and Norway, while both part of the borg defense initiative, are FRIGATES.

 

Uh... no? That's a Bussard Collector... it's an intake and it's also DOUBLY SHIELDED (SIF and Force Fields)

 

That's because in SW "Ion Storms" are massive-scale high-energy storms... in Star Wars they look like the Aurora Borealis!

 

There weren't any around, and Galaxy class weapons are largely ineffective vs cubes.

 

Hell, what if this thread is closed at the end of this page? Now that, my friend would be interesting.

 

Only one problem...

Voyager - The borg cube pulls Voyager en-warp via Tractor beam to escape the bioships

TNG - multiple times we have seen the Ent-D pull stuff at near-warp or at warp 1 via extension of the warp field

Enterprise - The Enterprise was able to COAST WITH NO POWER (read, all systems dead) in another ships warp field.

>3 cannon sources say your wrong. Suck it. Suck it hard.

 

They tried this in Voyager - forget what it was called (was a MVA system) and the borg adapted to it in short order.

 

I would assume that, initially, the UFP ships used strafing runs to minimize their losses and attempt to wear down the cube. Heavier losses being inflicted as they got more desperate the closer to earth they got.

 

It was in TNG The rebel borg under Lore's command

 

i guess some would go far to make them selves apear right :m:
i personaly never heard of the ability to warp in inside objects. Dune ships might imploy such tactics, but it would cause them 1 navigator per jump (basicly a suicide run). some pro-trek arguers might refer to the phasing cloak as described in TNG"Pegasus", that would allow a ship to pass through the enemy ship, but this is hardly standard equipement (actually it is illega and only the prototype exists if not scrapped by now). and at the current level of developement it only passes through normal matter. it is not until Voy"Endgame" that we see the transphasic torpedoes brought by Janeway from the future. these aperantly pass through all Borg defences and destroy their ships with a hit or two.

 

ah then yes, i have that episode it is season 6 i think. thanx i'll look it up

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Which means they would be skrewed against SW as such information is not kept in ship computers.

True, but through up a field that can protect you 100% from lasers and you are guaranteed to be throwing at least 1 joule for every joule thrown at you. Though oddly find a perfect mirror and the beam does all the work.

"Q Who." Data is quoted as saying the Warp core on a GCS produces 12.5 billion gigawats. Yes I realize it is sloppy scientific speak. But as the Engine was in use at the time and the lights were at there normal speed for normal power generation then it is safe to say the the normal output of the warp core is that number. Anytime the lights are faster they are talking about pushing the system harder than they are supposed to. So In an emergency we could probably count on 25-30 billion gigawats. Some would argue that the federation vessel was only using 10% of its warp power so to be accommodatiing 125 billion gigawatts.

According to cannon sourse 8the Eight Heavy turbolaser turrets on an Acclamator Troop transport can fire a barrage of 200 gigatons. Now assuming each turret has two heavy turbolasers that is 12.5 gigtons each. Now each gram of TNT is worth ~1000 calories when exploded and each calorie is ~4.2 joules.

Now a Gigaton is 1x10^15 grams times ~1000 calories =1x10^18 times~4.2 joules= 4.2x10^18 times 12.5 = 5.25x10^19 joules

Now one watt second = 1 joule and the length of fire of a turbolaser bolt is 1/15 second. So the Heavy Turbolaser fires a 7.875x10^20 watt bolt.

By the way that is 787.5 Billion Gigawats. or 6.3 times the most liberal warp core output we get from canon. Meaning the Heavy Turbolaser puts out in 1/15th of a second more power than the Enterprise Warp core can produce in six seconds. Talk about a fundamental power difference.


By the way it gets worse as the Acclamator is an old Star Wars design and there have been upgrades since then.

 

1. not necesseraly, they can still get scaned and their research labs raided.

2. :thumbsup: true! i often wondered why no one started making ships of polished nickel or chrom in SF where lasers are being used. BTW using graviton based shields hypoteticaly protects you from any laser, no matter how powerfull. actually a warp field with proper geometry would do the same. you just warp the space enough. photons have zero mass so they just follow the space time curve without any influence on it.

3. ugh! the ugly n watts per second phrase? how can one create Ws per second. watts are jules per second thus identifying power as oposed to energy. W/s would be a change of state. i think we've discused this, or was it another forum?

4.i think you are refering to this:
"Weapons of this kind was used onboard a variety of capital ships, like the Lucrehulk-class battleship, the Providence-class carrier/destroyer, the Acclamator-class assault ship and the Imperial-class Star Destroyer. They were known to be capable of firing with 200 Gigatons of force per shot. They were also utilized as part of ground artillery by many factions, along with one- or two-barreled turbolaser cannons."

"These ships were armed with 4 heavy torpedo launch tubes; 24 point-defense laser cannons, rated at 6 megatons per shot; and 12 quad turbolaser turrets, each rated at a maximum of 200 gigatons per shot.[7]"

taken from Wookipedia.

i see a slight problem here. more then one actually.

200GT per shot for a ground artilery is effectively a world devastator. one shot and you'll blow your planet to the next iceage and likely change its orbit.

the second problem is the 6 megatons per shot for the point defence. we actually do see these weapons fired at fighters that are taken down by weapons no more powerfull then a "long 75" with the same visual effect.

so eighter:
1. the data is exagerated
2. those megatons are not megatons of TNT
3. the data is in direct contradiction with the movies (so effectively sub canon)
4. the dirt and foilage in SW universe is made by uberindestructonium which does not really lead us anywhere.

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Okay well im sorry if i offended you. But lets set some things straight about this arguement so no one keeps repeating these mistakes

Megaatons- Megatons is a unit of weight you guys, please use mega watts which is a unit of power.

Watts vs. Amps- Amps is how much current is going through a system of circuits, that means how much energy is going to one part of the ship and how much is going to another. Like a turbolaser or cutting laser would have a very high amperage, while as a lightbulb would be low.
Watts is a unit of power. In this context power is a unit of how quickly you can do a job. This means that a 2000 watt laser would lets say take hours to vaporize a target while 200,000 watts would take seconds.


I gotta say do the borg even want to go after the empire? I mean the borg have, incredible shields, pulse plasma cannons, pulse phasers, phasers, cutting lasers, immense tractor beams, tons of ships, faster engines etc. There seems to be no need on the borg to take the empire. And the borg may not care about the individual ships but they dont waste time.


Oh yeah species 8472 has a planet destroyer, 9 ships link together into a sircle and fire cannons at an adapted ship in the middle and it fires a huge shot at the planet. And boom, planets gone.

So if your comparing power usage use amps, if you want to talk about actual destructive power use watts.

Stop using megatons! I cannot stress this enough megatons is a unit of weight not of destructive potential. A torpedo does not weigh 56 megatons, that would be immensely heavy, albeit somewhat hilarious.

Watts does not necessarily have to apply to electricity it can apply to destructive power. But just a brief warning, the equations are tons different for explosive power so don't use the electrical equation (ie, watts=amps*voltage).

Sorry if i offended anyone but thus far tons of people trekies, warsies, dunesies, etc. have made this mistake.

 

ST has alot of cannon and trekkies pride themselves with it. Except the defiant which seems to be made of rubber and stretches every other effects shot. It's just bad effects on the defiant to make it all look good. Anything in early seasons or series are rookie mistakes probably if not shoot the writer.

 

WRONG!!!!
Unless your on about spelling.
It's a measurement of destructive power used for explosions nowadays. Cause I don't think a B83 strategic bomber could fly with 1.2 million tones in it's bombing bay. 1.2 megatonnes is the largest nuke the USA has according to wikipedia. (Damn post limiter on links search TNT equivalent on wiki)

Apart from some bad spelling thier right.


After reading that page a photon torpedoes yeild seems rather useless. As 1kg of anti-matter + 1kg of matter = 42.96MT. Seeing as photons are about 4 feet long and a foot wide starfleet arn't packing them with enough explosive matterial if you ask me. It wouldn't surprise me if in times of war photons became alot more powerful. Depending on the machanisms in the photon and how big the antimatter and matter are I would geuss you could possible put maybe 5KG of each into a photon equaling a yeild of 214.8MT but this is speculative and there could be a whole lot of space needed for guidance and propulsion.