The Expansion Tectonics of Europa

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by OilIsMastery, Oct 2, 2008.

  1. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prkt8attugY

    When I first saw this I was blown away and skeptical. I thought either this is one of the most important observations in the history of science or else it's a hoax like fossil fuel.

    But the more I studied tectonic mantle oil, as it should rightly be called, the more it all fit together perfectly and scientifically.

    I'm now convinced beyond any possible reasonable doubt that this is the truth.
     
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  3. draqon Banned Banned

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    Europa does not have oil...just water
     
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  5. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    How do you know it doesn't have oil? Have you been there? Anyway that is totally irrelevant to this thread.
     
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    sorry, I did mention a relevant idea though.

    It would not have oil because the spectral analysis did not show long chains of carbon there (like on Titan).

    But its tectonic movement is due to gravitational pull of its mother planet, Jupiter.
     
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    I was telling a personal anecdote about oil which is totally irrelevant to the expansion tectonics of Europa other than that's what lead me to discover it. In what way other than that is oil relevant to this thread?

    Spectral analysis tells you about the atmosphere and surface. You cannot judge an interior by spectral analysis.

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    Really? Europa's faults spread away from Jupiter because Jupiter's gravity is pushing it away? Does Jupiter's gravity control spreads on Earth?
     
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    well the force from gravity of Jupiter is slightly affecting Earth...but not in a way to affect it that it is noticible.

    Europa the moon is being pulled and stressed by Jupiters gravity. Its a tag and pull physics.

     
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    Link please?

    Tidal forces heat the interiors of moons?

    Wow. So extraterrestrial gravity is the mechanism for tectonics?

    That should be a clue...

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    I watched all the videos, and they seemed pretty acceptable.

    But what would cause the expansion?

    Does rock expand when it freezes?
     
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    Finally an intelligent person. Nice to meet you...

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    I have considered several possibilities and abandoned them all except one.

    It's being caused by excess mass stress tectonics (E.M.S.T.). In the case of earth, iron production in the nuclear core.

    Not that I know of. If I'm not mistaken that is a unique property of water.
     
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    Then where is the stream of Neutrinos from the earths core?
    Why isn't the Earths core comparable in temperature and pressure to the interior of an O-type star (or have we got that wrong as well)?
    Why is there no eidenc eof Iron being produced in the Sun's core?
    Why is there no evidence for a significant change in Earths moment of inertia in the last 620 million years?
     
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    You are mistaken.
    It's not a property that's unique to water.
    Certainly it's a rare property, but not unique to water, and no, I don't have a comprehensive list at this time.
     
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    You tell me. I've never mentioned neutrinos.

    I fail to see what this has to do with Europa.

    Are you serious?

    This thread is about Europa. Focus.
     
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    Thank you for correcting me.
     
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    Neutrinos are a fusion by-product, and are produced in the production of Iron.

    You bought up EMST.
    You bought up the fact that EMST claims that Iron is produced in the core of the Earth.
    I am responding to the subjects you have bought up in this thread. If you didn not want them discussed, you should not have bought them up.

    Perfectly.
    Oh, no doubt you will now trawl through the internet, and produce images of the sun taken at the Fe-IX wavelength, and cite the papers that talk about the levels of Iron in the sun, it's metallicity blah blah ad nauseum.

    However, in doing so, you will inevitably miss the point that those papers are simply dicussing the presence of Iron in the sun, and say nothing about the production of Iron in the sun, while completely missing the point that the standard models of stellar nucleosynthesis and stellar evolution both say that the sun is too small to produce Iron by fusion.

    I am only talking about the topics that you have bought into this thread (namely in this case EMST). If you can't prove that EMST is correct by demonstrating it's validity on the one planet we have access to a wealth of data on, then why should we assume that it magically applies to Europa?

    A further point.

    Earlier in the thread it was pointed out to you that Hydrocarbons had not been detected on Europa by spectroscopy, and you responded by pointing out that spectroscopy can only detect what's on the surface, or in the atmosphere.

    However, in your haste, you neglected to realize that you're implying that only earth does Oil seep to the surface, and that only on earth is the mantle material incoporated into the crust (europa's mantle material isgenerally held to be liquid water, or an ice-water sludge).

    Tell me something else, if Oil requires temperatures in excess of 1000 c, and pressures in excess of 15 MPa, then how does it form in a mantle composed of Liquid water, or water-ice slurry?
     
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    No doubt this will seem like a provocative statement to make, but it's also a true one.

    The mere fact that you would explicitly state that you can be convinced 'beyond any reasonable doubt' that an idea, or a thoer 'is the truth' implies you're not doing science.

    A true scientest should always have their mind open to the possibility that their theory might be wrong.

    A true scientest understand that it's only by attmepting to prove their theories wrong, that they can gather evidence to support their theory.
     
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    We have neutrino detectors on Earth and they have been observed.

    Right. Where does the iron on Earth come from if not from the core?
     
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  20. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    Quite correct. I said reasonable doubt. Not unreasonable doubt.
     
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    While this is true, there has been no neutrino flux detected that has been (AFAIK) either provisionaly, or unambiguously identified as originating from the earths core.

    Same place Solar Iron originated from - the primordial solar nebula.

    If you want more information, go and look up stellar nucleosynthesis.
     
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    And yet you have simply buried your head in the sand and denied any evidence against your argument, period.
     
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    So according to you, our sun does not engage in nucleosynthesis?

    There is no iron being produced in the sun or the Earth?
     

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