Did Muhammad actually exist?

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M*W: I'm just curious, did Muhammad actually exist? Was he a real person? Did he really write the Quran, or was it written by others in his name?

I am not asking these question to bash Islam. I already know how Muslims will answer these questions. I'm addressing this question mostly to non-Muslims.

I admit I don't know much about Islam, but I have many Muslim friends. What is the consensus of non-Muslims on this forum? I would like to learn.

If Jesus didn't exist, why is he mentioned in the Quran?

Thanks for your input.

 

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There are letters written by Muhammed to other kings that have survived. There is independent confirmation from Indians who met his compatriots [the oldest mosque in India was built in the lifetime of the Prophet]. Jews of the time have written about him.

I don't believe anyone has ever questioned the fact that he existed.

 

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Muhammad is the most significant historical figure to have ever lived. To deny his existence is profoundly stupid, for lack of a better word. What kind of a reaction did you expect, M*W?


Kadark

 

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We're valid sources now? Way to remain consistent.


No one questions whether or not Muhammed lived, non-Muslims question what he said. The man lived not that long...and his work was written much time after his life. Even the compiler of the information questioned its accuracy.

 

I'm probably missing something, but wheres the evidence he existed? And by that I mean, evidence, you know, REAL evidence.

 

His work? You mean Hadiths? Things he purportedly said and did? Yeah, there are varying levels of accuracy, we know that. Do you?

Like what? His grave is in Medina.

 

BetrayerOfHope, it's possible he didn't exist. But there's no evidence that Josephus was real either. Or Caesar. The evidence is the rippling effect it had on the remainder of history. That's the only way you can detect validity. Even then, it's tough. So oral tradition is important.

 

Where is the evidence that your great-grandfather existed? A picture? Inconclusive. What else? A pocket watch? Could have been anybody's pocket watch. Do you see how silly your argument is? If Muhammad did not exist, then people like Genghis Khan, Justinian, Constantine, Richard, Saladin, etc., did not exist either.


Kadark

 

That, of course, is debatable.
There is no valid reason, however, to doubt his existence.

 

hahaha Most significant?

Without Moshe (or Musa for you) there is no Muhammed.
Without Moshe there is no Yeshki
With out Moshe there is virtually nothing!

 

Actually it is not.

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http://www.jamaat.net/hart/thetop100.html

 

Yeah because Michael Harts opinion matters.

What's the most quoted book by Yeshki?? Torah.
What's the most quoted people by Muhammed? Torah / Yeshki

Who brought the Torah? Moses.

What was Isaac Newton? Christian / Scientist
St. Paul CAME from Christianity which came from Yeshki which came from citing quotes of Torah which was from Moses.

I could continue...I could.

 

Who follows Moses? Not the Jews.

Who follows Jesus? Not the Christians.

 

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So it's not debatable because Michael Hart (whoever the hell he is) says so?
What he says is fact? :bugeye:

 

This argument has nothing to do with the topic.

But you're a complete idiot S.A.M. you don't even know the laws. You think you do. But I am just another unfaithful liar to you. You say "Look man says his own deeds to you!!!" praise boomshakalaka. Nope, you just are uneducated. Living a 3rd world country, amongst poor uneducated neighbors.

 

Unless that "some guy" established a religion practiced by 1.5 billion people (even 1,400 years after his death), conquered Arabia, and made the Arabs a superpower.

And without Musa's parents, there is no Musa. Does this mean that Musa's parents are the "most significant" historical figures? Oops, I see you've been trapped by your own faulty logic. Let me help you out.


Kadark

 

No, because he is right. Mohammed was directlt responsible for all his influence. And his influence has affected not just the Muslim world but through the alleviation of the dark ages and the trade established by Muslims from China to Norway, all the world. It is still the most debated most talked about subject on earth and consumes the whole planet today. How can you deny his influence?

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No, the argument is different. Moshe brought the Torah into the world. That torah had more influence on the world than anything ever. It was the WORDS that were quoted...not his blood.

 

For better or for worse, everyone today studies Mohammed and Islam, no one studies Musa. How does that make him significant? He may be significant to you, but I bet more people can quote [or misquote] the Quran and Hadith than anything Musa said. Try debating with people about what Musa said, then debate with them what Mohammed said or did not say.