Oil Doesn't Come From Dead Dinosaurs

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  1. OilIsMastery

    OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    That's hilarious and in blatant violation of the Second Law of Thermodynamics: http://www.gasresources.net/ThrmcCnstrnts.htm

    "Natural petroleum has no connection with biological matter." -- Jack F. Kenney, 2001

    "The elemental distribution in the crude oil from all studied deposits does not match such of any known crustal rock." -- Kirill S. Ivanov, 2007

    There are no hydrocarbons in plants. Hydrogen and carbon in plants are always attached to oxygen and nitrogen. Carbohydrates are not hydrocarbons...

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    Your map is a joke. Russia, Pennsylvania, Burgan, and Ghawar are in total darkness on your dinosaur nest map.
     
    OilIsMastery, Aug 14, 2008
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  3. DwayneD.L.Rabon

    DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    As far as hydrocarbons ect... the different branch names you chose to use you should figure out your argument of chemistry.

    If the locations that you name Russia, Pennsylvania, Burgan, and Ghawar are in total darkness then that increases the probality of oil or coal deposits in those regions.

    Let me give you another point of reference, the lipids are the essential constituets of practically all plant and animal cells, they give structure to living form. They may be saturated or unstaturated. Lipid structures form the cell membranes of cells, the cell membrane comprise most of the carbon in the living body. lipids are themselves made up of long chains of hydrocarbons, CH2 and CH3 and even CH4, (long rows of these hydrocarbons are lipids which inturn make cell membranes).
    The lipids of the living organism is the same as the hydrocarbons found in oil.

    if you want to make specific seperations of carbohydrates and sugars, and fats ect... thats fine but they are all hydrocarbons. so you will find carbohatrates in your lipids ect...

    DwayneD.L.Rabon


    A list of the hydrocarbon chains found in oil(petroleum)

    Methane CH4
    Ethane C2H6
    Propane C3H8
    Butane C4H10
    Pentane C5H12
    Hexane C6H14
    HeptaneC7H16
    Octane C8H18
    Nonane C9H20
    Decane C10H22
    Undecane C11H24
    Dodecane C12H26
    Tridecane C13H28
    Tetracane C14H30
    PentadecaneC15H32
    Hexadecane C16H34
    Heptadecane C17H36
    Octadecane C18H38
    Nonadecane C18H40
    Eicosane C20H42


    Distillation Fractions form a typical petroleum

    2% Gases C1 to C5
    2% Petroleum ether C5 to C7
    32%Gasoline C6 to C12
    18%Kerosene C12 to C15
    20%Gas oil (fuel oil) C15 to……
    Lubercating oils C19 to….

    C = the length of the carbon chain. (example C1 to C5 means Methane,Ethane,Propane,Butane and Pentane)

    List of Lipids (fats) those of organic compounds found in life forms
    (just the hydrocarbon chain)

    Butyric C3H7
    Caproic C5H11
    Caprylic C7H15
    Capric C9H19
    Lauric C11H23
    Myristic C13H27
    Palmitic C15H31
     
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  7. Vkothii

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    Oh bullshit.
     
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  8. OilIsMastery

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    Reality not to your liking? Do you know what oxygen is?
     
    OilIsMastery, Aug 14, 2008
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    I know you don't know what it is.
     
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  10. Trippy

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    OilIsMastery I suggest you look up 'decarboxylation' it involves the elimination of Carbondioxide from carboxylic acids to form alkanes. There's a variety of ways of doing it, it happens with heating, but it happens slowly, and requires the use of various reagents to speed it up to make it useful in a laboratory.
     
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  11. OilIsMastery

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    And I suggest you look up the modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of deep abiotic petroleum origin. You might also look up "mantle" (no biological molecule can survive in the mantle), "serpentization", "serpentine plugs", "Travis volcanic mounds", "solfataric volcanoes", and " methane cryo-volcanoes".
     
    OilIsMastery, Aug 14, 2008
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    Still breathing are we?
     
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  13. OilIsMastery

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    Yes. O2 as a matter of fact, on the extremely oxidizing crust of the earth.
     
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    Must be all that chalk dust you inhale as you scrawl hurriedly on that blackboard.
     
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    Strawman - none of this is actually relevant to my initial point.

    The claim 'no biological molecule can survive the mantle' is irrlevant to the claim 'carboxylic acids become alkanes on heating'.

    Serpentine is a secondary mineral (an oxidation product) of minerals including olivine, and orthopyroxine, and typically occurs in serpentites (altered olive bearing rocks - simply (potentialy) indicating hydrothermal activity after vulcanism. This has nothing (directly) to do with the production of oil, except for implying a heat source.

    Travis volcanic mounds are seamounts that erupted in the cretaceous, and now have oil in the sedimentary layers associated with them, and because of their structure have a high potential to trap oil, and they happen to have serpentite plugs associated with them (Hmmm Marine sedmients + Hydrothermal activity (heat) + burial).

    Sulfataric volcano refers to a specific type of gas driven activity, that as well as producing the usual volatiles, produces sulfur - essentially similar to fumarolic activity. Although, I see from your blog that you've managed to convince yourself that because 'explosive' is used as an adjective, methane must be present.

    Methane cryovolcanism is irrelevant - it doesn't occur on earth.

    None of your points have anything to do with my assertion that it's possible to produce alkanes by the decarboxylation of fatty acids.
     
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  16. DwayneD.L.Rabon

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    Ok here we go....
    I have consulted the Black Pearl index compiled by DR. Rabon.

    The Current list of HydroCarbons in earths crust is 11,641,623 cubic miles of hydrocarbons. (0.004% earth)

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
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  17. OilIsMastery

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    That's because your initial point is irrelevant. Oxygen has nothing to do with hydrocarbons.

    It's relevant because complex hydrocarbons can only be formed at pressures above 30 kilobar: http://www.pnas.org/content/99/17/10976.full

    http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2005/2005GL022691.shtml

    "The elemental distribution in the crude oil from all studied deposits does not match such of any known crustal rock." -- Kirill S. Ivanov, 2007

    Congratulations.

    LOL.

    Oxygen and fatty acids are irrelevant. Complex hydrocarbons can only be formed at pressures above 30 kilobar. No biological molecule can survive in the mantle.
     
    OilIsMastery, Aug 14, 2008
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  18. OilIsMastery

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    Good one....:roflmao:

    Did you count the molecules yourself?
     
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  19. Enmos

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    OIM, please don't act even more stupid than you are.

     
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  20. OilIsMastery

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    Unfortunately Earth is not the only astronomical body in the universe.
     
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  21. Enmos

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    And so ?
     
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  22. OilIsMastery

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    LOL.

    How many dinosaurs live on Titan?
     
    OilIsMastery, Aug 14, 2008
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  23. Enmos

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    None, that's why there is no oil.

    Proof that there is octane on Titan please.
     
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