Nothing from Something?

No, zero represents the additive identity on the abelian ring section of the field of the reals and which is the only element in the field which does not possess an inverse under the other binary operation of the field.

But hey, that's just the mathematician in me talking....

There is no distinction between 0+0 and 0, that's what '=' means. It means that you are representing the same underlying abstract entity in two ways which are equivalent. After all, = is an equivalence relation. There is no mathematical distinction between the underlying entity represented by 1/2 and the mathematical entity represented by 0.5, hence it's possible to say 1/2 = 0.5.

As usual, Reiku throws in a concept he doesn't understand into a discussion about another topic he doesn't understand in the hopes of fooling other people who don't understand into believing he does understand what he doesn't actually understand.

 

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The existence of the universe has an explanation. The only explanation that does not suffer from the primary cause paradox is that all is nothingness, as nothingness itself requires no causal explanation. Therefore, the existence of the universe is explained by nothingness.

 

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By the way, there is nothing in logic which says time can't extend infinitely far into the past. So there need not be a primary cause, because nothing in logic says that you can't have an infinite number of causes preceeding it.

 

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No, your explanation is self-contradictory. On the other hand, the postulate that causality does not apply infinitely far into the past would solve this paradox quite handsomely, at the expense of human common sense.

 

Oh BTW Reiku, Alphanumeric and myself happen to now be online at the same time. So I'd like you to retract your sock puppet argument, which you justified on the grounds that you never saw us online at the same time.

 

Look. You ca't have something from nothing, if that nothing doesn't mean something. It's simple. Very Effective, and something which shouldn't be ignored.

 

I retract it/..... but i am still not sure. I am sure you can create two accounts yes????????????????????

 

I thought the definition of zero was "nothing". "Zero is a number which quantifies a count or an amount of null size; that is, if the number of your brothers is zero, that means the same thing as having no brothers, and if something has a weight of zero, it has no weight."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_(number) How can you add two zeros together, then, if the two zeros are not distinct zeros? You are making no sense.
Second, how are my definitions contradictory?

 

And I never said something came from nothing. You haven't proved that nothingness was the initial condition of existence.

In theory yes, but that wasn't the foundation for your argument. For all I know, you're really BenTheMan and you're just here to pull our legs.

 

What's the difference between 0 and 0 ?

 

0+0=0=1+1=0

 

So long as
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0'=-1+(-1)=0''

 

I am also CptBork, my other names are AlphaNumeric, BenTheMan, James R, and couple of others.

 

If the nothing really was something, it wasn't nothing to begin with.
So now you have something came from something.

:shrug:

 

Zero is an abstract mathematical construct, an object with no attributes. Addition of zeros is a mathematical definition, which has nothing to do with zero in itself representing anything.

Because on one hand you say zero represents nothing, and on the other hand you define it as having attributes. The idea of adding zeros together is a mathematical idea and does not require that zero in itself consist of anything.

 

Put as politely as I can, you are talking bollocks. I will not attempt the futile task of making you see why this is so.

 

Are you seriously saying that zero does not mean nothing? And are you also seriously saying that the "+" in the middle of the two zeros in 0+0=0 is also meaningless?

 

So 2 = 0

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I am not Ben, he is more advanced than me at math, plus, he is a string theorist, whilst i am not.

Secondly, i have shown proof, as did the OP THAT something cannot come from nothing,unless there was some ingredients there to begin with, or more vector correctly, there was everything there to begin with.

 

You can add two 1's together that are not distinct 1's.. :shrug: