Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    False and, again, false.

    Proof 1: Star Trek, Insurrection - Picard was beamed to, and later from, the Collection Array while the Arrays shields were still up because the ship was able to get close enough and boost the signal strength enough to manage. It's not that they cannot do it, it just becomes more dangerous - after all, YOU try being sub-atomicly dis-assembled...

    Proof 2: Borg - they can beam thru shields quite easily

    Proof 3: Star Wars shields have not shown the ability to block even whole SHIPS flying thru them... case in point - the Falcon landing on the back of an ISD while it was in an asteroid belt.
     
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  3. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Cody, it's ALL of trek vs ALL of Wars.

    Q is involved, like it or not.

    For the most part, we on the Trek side have kept Q out of it (along with other insurmountable superweapons) in the idea of fairness - if you Rabid Warsies wish to keep claiming outrageous things about Centerpoint, Galaxy Gun, and other such nonsense, then we'll just leave it at this:

    Q says I don't like Star Wars.

    Star wars, the ENTIRE universe, simply never exists.
     
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  5. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    False - here is proof of this.

    http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWalderaan.html

    He goes quite in depth about this subject... Alderaan did NOT have a planetary shield... if it DID, said shield did absolutely NOTHING.

    that "glow" is the atmosphere vaporizing... considering the massive amount of energy you need to completely dis-assemble a planet like that, this is not surprising at all.
     
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  7. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    I bet the writer of the original 9 Star Wars books would beg to differ, but in the interests of good taste (eg, no point arguing with a fool) I'll drop the subject here and now.
     
  8. antaran_1979 Registered Senior Member

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    1. it does not matter. if there are 100 billion of grunts there would be only 10 billion sargents, 2 billion sargent majors and a similar number o flieutenants, 500 milion captains and so on. the point si a company will still have only 1 lieutenant, a batallion 1 captain.
    2.so there is a diference betwean the two worlds?
    3.Piett was captain and Ozzle was in command of the fleet. it was Piett that efectively commanded the Executor. you need to get you facts strait.
    4.and this was during Palpatine's rule? no! so it serves no purpose.
    5.hahahahahaha, then why use the planets!!!!?????
    6.learn to read, i said: "if you had no knowlidge of European geography or wordl map yourself"
    7.it can fire only where they receave coordinates and only trhough 1 arc-vector. totally useless.
    8.still limited to one system. shows how ignorant the writer was

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  9. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Point 1- False, as proven here

    http://www.st-v-sw.net

    A Constitution Class Phaser Emitter (read, OLD AS SHIT starship) can easily vaporize the atmosphere of a Class M (read, earth sized or greater) planet... considering the ONLY other weapon we have seen do this is the Death Star superlaser... that should tell you something.

    Point 2 - False

    Photon Torpedoes have been shown time and again to have a yield many times greater than that of even the mighty Proton Torpedo. The proof is in the pudding, here. http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWrise.html

    EVEN CONSERVATIVELY, this puts the photon torpedo as easily able to VAPORIZE a 350 meter + asteroid!

    Point 3 - That tech manual is non canon. Not to mention the fact that the rather primitive electrical wiring could never move such currents thru it without suffering a massive short circuit...

    Even so, if that WERE true - the energy output of a small warp core is far greater, as shown here.

    http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWgigaper.html

    5,000 Terrajoules... that's far more than a thousand times your supposed output...

    And a terratonne output makes no sense, unless it's a pure kinetic impact

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  10. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Look up the original 9 Star Wars books, and compare the print date on them to the release date on the Star Wars movies
     
  11. antaran_1979 Registered Senior Member

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    ships can transport other ships/shuttles it only depends on the size. so tractor the thingy, overload its shield (if it even has one) energise it and turn the transporter offline

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  12. antaran_1979 Registered Senior Member

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    and yet not a friction of that power shown in the movies. so you must ask yourself which one is true?
     
  13. antaran_1979 Registered Senior Member

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    1. dunno. as i said the barrier is a mystery to me.
    2. could be. still i always have truble with calculations that involve the planet's mantile. to simply blow it up is easy, but to actually drill though it... i don't know. maybe it uses the folding effect to divert the energy? nah it would be said so. i'll think about it.
     
  14. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Quad Turbolasers acully composed of four Heavy Turbolasers. Quad Turbolasers fire at a very high rate compared to the turbolaser turrets on the Death Star. Almost all the planets ( I don't know about Naboo and the primitive planets ) have planetary shields, and all of the planets have planetary defence force and the Alliance to Restore the Republic fleets for defence. Plus the Imperials never felt the need to destroy a planet thats not overflowed with Rebel activity. The Republic never felt the need to destroy any planet, because it used to be their own and they want to take it back not destroy it, plus the Senate will never agree to it. The CIS never destroyed a planet because they don't have a Star Destroyer, but they do have more powerful Lulhulk-class Battleships they never destroyed a plante under the orders of Palpatine and the Republic Navy is too powerful for them. If the Imperials destroyed a planet, other planetary govenments or people will more likey side with the Alliance to Restore the Republic, thats what happened after the destruction of Aldereen.
     
  15. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Most of Star Wars' star charts are holograms, because it id 3D.
     
  16. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    It sounds like that you thought the Republic's neighbores are very peacful.
     
  17. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Star Wars shields are very very close to the hull.

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  18. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    The Sun Crusher is just a prototype, they can make a fleet of them. Also you forgot about Centerpoint......
     
  19. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    You think they are outragous because they are very powerful and Star Trek will never hope to build them. If you lived during world war II and somebody told you about the power of a atom bomb before it is launched, I bet you would say it is outragous.
     
  20. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Wrong. Star Wars shields are not like a ring around it, it is all the way around. In the picture, it only shows the ring around it, what happened to the shields in front of it? Anyways some planetary shields are in the atmosphere.
    I got even better proof:
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Planetary_shields

    Exactly, just a we said, the shields were overwhelmed.
     
  21. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Proof and sources please.
     
  22. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    1.There is more then a billion. The Stromtrooper Corps consists of clones and normal humans
    2. No, one is the story he made and one is the continued story. He said himself that his stroy is only one of the stories about Star Wars
    3. I forgot sorry, my mistake. Anyways how do you explain Grand Admiral Thrawn and others?
    4. It is during the Republic
    5. The artificial gravity well is not permenant, it is temporary
    6. So thats why they need ships to coordinate the fleet first before firing
    7. No, it affects the neighboring systems too.
     
  23. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Let me see, Tarkin battlestation, Darksaber.............
    They have plenty of superlasers that can do it. I never seen a Galaxy Class or Voyager do that. Oh, this is what you will say " Federation laws prevented it ", how about when they are at war?

    Exactly, you are very predicble, I perdicted long ago you use that website for your arguments and sources. Proton Tropedos are crap compared to even LTLs or even some high yeild Concussion Missiles.
    Tech Manuls are canon because it is liciened by Lucasfilm.
     
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