Star Wars vs Star Trek

yuo missed the point. the total gravitational output of the black hole is actually smaller then the one of the star that generated it. however insiide the event horizon the gravitational "flux" is so dense that it creates a rupture in space-time. no tractor beam does this without becoming a black hole itself. and voyager survied the transition (in what is on of the silliest episodes), thus gravity weapons are not perticulary eficient against UFP shielding.

 

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i don't think subspace is actually a dimension. i think of it more like an inter-space, a sort of background upon which other dimensions exist. it provides a conection betwean those.

 

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interesting... it would mean total plasma deplition.

 

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Antaran, the episode isn't silly at all - it actually makes sense.

What makes a black holes event horizon so dangerous is the intensity of gravity...

Consider that a Warp Field would, in a large part, contradict that... I mean, they had to push their core a little, but you figure they had power to spare. They had enough sheer power to OVERCOME a black hole. that says something about the sheer energetic output of a UFP warp core, even and old type 10 like Voyager has.

Gravimetric weapons ARE effective, once the shielding is down - the Borg use Gravimetric torpedoes to cause a sheering force in the ships hull, something even the Defiants armor cannot really overcome. However, with strong Structural Integrity fields, like the new Defiant (the San Paulo) and the Sovereign class, these torpedoes can be largely negated.

 

definitly magnetic origins then. i'd give it a strong probabilty for plasma shield then. probably negative, or dual layered (otside negatve repulsar, inside positve ionization backups)

 

1. irelevant. this means a ship would not enter hyperspace wile being tractored.
2. wrong, protos shields DO recharge themselves. it only takes a long time (if i recall corectly, it's been a while since i played SC)

 

nope, tractor beam=directed (focused or linear)gravity force, gravity well=radial force, usefull for jamming and wide area of effect.

 

you are loosing credibility. anyways now we need to asablish if fighter shields operate on the same principles as large ships.

 

i think the answer lies in the mass/gravity shadows. the interdictor does not actually emit gravity (that would disrupt the star sysem) but rather it simulates those efects as far as hyperspace is conserned.

 

If that's true, Antaran, then it's moot point - Star Trek can, and has, actually emitted Gravity.

And some damned powerful gravity too...

BUT, as Jedi likes his little supertoys, he must find some way to overcome the Star Trek supertoys - Dyson Sphere, Doomsday Machines, Whale Probes, and, ultimately, the Q

 

yes but the weapons won't work. and rregardless how small midichlorians are, transporters work on a molecular level. if they want they can reconstruct your DNA with it (actually they did that too)

 

hah, never seen a SW ship enter hyperspace near a star corona, a klingon wrack did a warp spin around the sun

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, and a destroyer version of BoP used a warp speed jump to create a protuberance wile hiding inside a sun's corona.

 

a blast that sucks light

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hahahahaha, you DO have a sence of humor!!!!
btw, flying inside a supermasive black hole is FAR easier then inside a small one. the "flux" is far less dence, so you ship does not get shred to pieces on its way to the event horizon.

 

i don't think it's a metter of trainig and focus. not power. and it's a sith abilty.

 

oh, i'm not talking about the gravity tear, but the loss of information. iside a singularity matter should stop existing in its normal form.

 

well its not moot. it still means gravity will disrupt their FTL ability. they do have tractors and they can't go to hyperspace while tractored.

 

if i recall the Holtzman effect causes sub-atomic "fusion". this is very similar to the quark fluid and "lumps" mentioned in the article. such high energy compressions result in new partcle creations which are followed by intensive outbursts of energy. actually the DS9 tech manual (non-canon material) states a similar working principle (energy compresion on small focus of space time) behind the Quantum torpedoes. so yeah it coud be possible but the nature of the weapon is not fission but fusion, and its still considered nuclear, since it's barion and gluon based.

still do we have a conection betwean atomics and Holtzman effect?

 

i'm writng this stuff mostly from work, so i can't do it during the working weekend. but i have at home some links you'll find most interesting. i'll post them if you want. they migh help us on this issue. are stone-burners in the same operating principles as atomics?

 

yes i would definitely like to see those links. according to the dune canon they are atomics especially considering they emit a specific kind of radiation that deteriorates eye-tissue.

It is very possible I wrote fission instead of fusion... I do know the difference but I was pretty tired when i posted that.

 

Well remember that midichlorian are described as life cannot exist without it. Which means they very well could be something internal to 99% of cells. Mitochondria is a prime candidate. Plus, honestly ST would have to know about Midichlorians to try to strip them from someone. Not very likely to be the case honestly.