Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    1) Transporters will beam anything thats on the Jedi
    2) Not full, but full force attack potential
    3) Midicorians are too small, there is 5,000 midicorians per cell for an average Jedi Knight. Anakin have alot over 20,000 per cell.
     
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  3. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Here is proof, a sun's gravity well won't even effect the hyperdrive, but an indictor can pull one out of hyperspace ? Logic here you go. I never seen Ent-D do that, proof please.
     
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  5. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Star Trek don't know what hyperspace is

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  7. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Negatory on 2 points:

    Federation ships will never be captured, as you have NO WAY to board the ship.

    Protoss shields do have passive regeneration... I'm a huge fan of Starcraft and can say, from experience, that passive regeneration is my favorite ally.

    And no - upon exiting hyperspace, you INSTANTLY decelerate... watch the movies mate.
     
  8. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    You're leaving out the fact that they never GOT the tractor beam on the Falcon...
     
  9. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    I mean with gravity, reflection and gravity and not the same.

    So do a Centerpoint blast, all the light present disappears instantly.
    A blackhole and a Centerpoint blast is diffrent. Blackhole suck stuff up and Centerpoint crush ( or if small enough eliminate ) stuff. I never seen the Federation flown in a super-giant blackhole. I wonder what would happen if they aim the Centerpoint at the center of Milky Way ?
    Not an average blackhole or the one that the Federation flown into.
     
  10. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi
    You mean a force sensitve's ability. Also with the right tools, you can make a sun go supernova with the force.

    And Q can make a new nebula flare into existance, condense it into a star, cause it to go supernova, collapse into a black hole, then make it vanish, all int he span of a few seconds...[/QUOTE]
    That is only a force sensitve not the force.

    Acording to you Kyle Katarn would of died, he didn't.
    not every force sesitive can do it. Darth Plagus and Cade Skywalker ( from Star Wars Legacy ) can do it.
    But the full potential of Anakin Skywalker can.
     
  11. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    I play StarCraft very often and I read the novels, they regenerate using the shield battery not by itself and only buildings can do it. You can board by blasting a hole in it.
    Here are the steps of hyperspace travle
    1. You acclerate
    2. You enter hyperspace
    3. You decelerate ( not instantly rewatch the movies yourself )
     
  12. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Yes they did, it got on the Falcon.
     
  13. Renrue Someone Registered Senior Member

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    SkywalkerJedi,
    Apparently not. I am an avid StarCraft fan and what I just saw you type there shows that you're BSing. Protoss Shields in the game regenerate at a slow pace (faster than Zerg regeneration, but slower than Terran repair) and the Shield Battery is only a device to increase the rate of regeneration, speeds faster than Terran repair and healing. Go ahead and look it up.

    On terms of lore (outside of the game), that's also BS. Tell me what novel you read to bring you to the idea that the shields cannot regenerate? They can be deactivated via force, but given time, they will recharge back to full power without the need of any external mechanism.


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  14. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Why did you need to prove that? Is it not obvious?

    Let's see. Miko said it was like 12 G's
    Astronaunts experience 3 G's on lift of the space shuttle
    modern pilots may experience up to 10 G's in short durations
    To call 12 G's small would be a mistake but to call it super as Miko does implies that the Interdictors power of casting mass shadows is either illusionary are incredibly Weak.

    Star Trek Inertial Dampners easily countacts forces thousands of times that amount just by jumping to warp. You got to come up with more that a dozen G's to stop a tractor beam. Which is my point.
    Star Wars fighters couldn't hope to counter a Federation tractor beam.

    Can you provide proof that Star wars views it as a slang?



    Because of the apparent greater firepower of the Galaxy I must say that Nothing less than several ISD's could persuade a Galaxy class starship to standdown.

    Remember the proof is on the board Federation phaser fire up to 60 times as powerful as the ISD's turbo laser turrets. Always provide proof of your claim.



    Yes, I was wrong...Lukes manuver showed that the shield could be brought back. But...we are intern wrong about Protoss shields. All protoss shields could independently regenerate. The shield battery was merely a quicker method.
     
  15. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Uhm... Transporters can remove individual SUB-SUB ATOMIC PARTICLES.

    Trust me, Midichlorians are NOT too small... we're talking about breaking the atomic bonds and digitizing a person, then re-assembling the matter elsewhere at the sub atomic state!

    They'd be easy to remove... and the Transporters beam UP anything on/in the person, yes. But while they are in the pattern buffer, weapons, diseases, bacteria, viruses, and, if the person operating the pad so chose, even clothing can be removed before the person is rematerialized. Hell, if they wanted, they could just NEVER rematerialize the person.
     
  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    I can't remember the name of the episode - a large moon was going to crash into a planet due to decaying orbit, so the Ent-D projected it's warp field around part of the moon and used a tractor beam to tug it back into orbit. It was the episode where Q was stripped of his powers by the Continuum.

    And as for the suns gravity well thing... if that's true, why don't they enter hyperdrive away from planets? Why is it in all the games, you cannot use Hyperdrive near a planetary gravity well? Why is it the Falcon didn't simply jump to lightspeed when in the Death Stars tractor beam?

    And either way - we'd still stop you because you wouldn't be able to accelerate... hell, you wouldn't be able to move. We've already shown a Trek ship has far FAR greater acceleration... which means, in essence, more powerful engines in terms of sheer output, even if they have a lower "top speed". So don't think you can simply pull the Trek ship with you - you wouldn't be able to.
     
  17. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Sure they do - when the Traveller interfaced with the Ent-D, he put the ship into a type of hyperspace... they travelled, I believe, millions of light years in the span of a few (eg, 3 or 4) minutes.

    It was like Warp Drive inside Hyperspace

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  18. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    That is only a force sensitve not the force.


    Acording to you Kyle Katarn would of died, he didn't.

    not every force sesitive can do it. Darth Plagus and Cade Skywalker ( from Star Wars Legacy ) can do it.

    But the full potential of Anakin Skywalker can.[/QUOTE]

    1) If you stab a Jedi in the heart with a normal knife, and cut the organ in two, he will die. I've been stabbed on three different occasions and I'm still here, they just never hit anything vital.

    2) Anakin is a whiny little bitch who Q would look at, say I don't LIKE you, and snap his fingers. Anakin would "pop" out of existance, his birth having never taken place, his MOTHERS birth having never taken place.
     
  19. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Mhm, then why couldn't the Falcon escape the Death Star, mm?

    Sorry, Movies override your statement.
     
  20. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Skywalker, the ONLY force sensitive person I can think of who could POSSIBLY even INTEREST Q would be Exhar Khune...

    And he's long, LONG dead.

    He was THE most powerful force user EVER. And if you even dispute that... there is a line directly from Palpatines lips stating he was the most powerful ever...
     
  21. antaran_1979 Registered Senior Member

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    and how is this connnested with hyperspace?
     
  22. antaran_1979 Registered Senior Member

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    in a world where the Force is omnipresent, but what about when there is no Force or a medium to it?
     
  23. antaran_1979 Registered Senior Member

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    if the shield can be destroyed, it still implies a material nature, and some kind of particle present. did you notice how this data on SW becomes more and more conflicting? we'd have to asablish a univesal source. that's why i only refered to the movies originaly. they are far less contradicting.
     
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