Star Wars vs Star Trek

Star Wars too have cloak. It also have Ion Cannons, heavier firepower and mine fields. There is something called self-destruct. There is no way they can find out how to make it even when they have one. They tear it apart, then it explodes. And they need a hypermatter generator to come with it, and it is very fragile. Tractor beams won't prevent them to go to hyperspace. A fighter will keep firing. Even if it is 200 Federation ships vs a Star Destoryer, they won't give up they will fight till they die.

 

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They can detect cloak, they will fire Ion Cannons everywhere, so when it hits, it ship is disabled.

 

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Not exactly standard issue now is it? hell, it only shows up in 4 novels..

Wars cloak is down right primitive compared to trek cloaks... frikin' huge, rare, expensive, and you can't see out from it.

see link for trek cloaks
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Cloaking_device

 

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what evidence do you have that the ion cannon will effect the cloak... how are you going to find it to shoot it with the ion cannon?

 

Because the New Republic don't have it.

They are not expensive, the sensor is. It is not huge. The only problem is you can't detect anything outside the cloak field for the ship using the cloak and everyship inside the field

 

They don't they fire randomly. And it can disable the ship, it is all that matters, or the fire missiles to locate it.

 

Millions of credits isn't alot. A Star Destroyer is only 1.7 Billion credits. Besides Battle Meditation can detect the exact spot of every ship. So when you have a force sensitive on your tail, even cloak won't work. And even Battle Meld can detect it.

 

I'm pretty sure the GFFA Cloak is inferrior in everyway and it's likely to be detectable by Star Fleet sensors (Its just a guess)

Ion cannon are only useful against ships using electrical conduits. So EM blast would be far less effective than you think.

I've never seen a GFFA ships self destruct. I don't doubt that they have the ability but transporters would ensure the crew didn't mis behave...anyway the Drive system could be beamed out and the ship could be allowed to blow as they see fit. If not the tech beamed out the Crew could be beamed out...

Again you're against a tech superior society...Trek has far more options at it's displosal.


Not one bit a canon suggest that Hyperdrive can't be powered by anything else. Infact the Fighters use a fussion engine combination. Unless you know the the unique characteristics of hypermatter you can't justify your "hypermatter only" statement.

Tractor beams prevent ships from going to warp....warp is faster than lightspeed ergo...not Hyperspace. Simple Logic.

 

you clearly don't understand how currencies work. if a star destroyer only costs 1.7 Billion credits, then a cloaking device that costs several million is expensive, unless ordinary citizens frequently purchase Star Destroyers. If you'd wanted to show that a cloaking device was inexpensive, you've said that a standard blaster costs several hundred thousand credits, or something.

 

A Starfighter is atleast 100,000 Credits. Even Dreadnaughts cost 10 Million. And yes Booster Terrik owns a very powerful ISD named Errant Venture armed with a superlaser. It is very cheap for military standard. And a blaster chaingun costs more then ten thousand credits. 1 Heavy Turbolaser battery cost hundreds of thousands of credits. I said it is cheap for a high income Senator or Shipyard owner and the Military.

 

Galactic Federation of Free Alliances's cloak is not weaker then Federation cloaks. Galactic Federation of Free Alliance is obivously weaker then the Empire and the Republic and the CIS, because it needs to rebuilt from the Vong war and the Centerpoint destroyed it's 2nd fleet.

If they try to beam the hyperdrive, it would rip right off the durasteel floor it is sealed too and the walls, so it would explode. If they beam the crew out three problems. First if there is a Jedi onboard, the Federation will hope thy never invented the transporter, because they will need prosthetics or be dead. Second, if it is a CIS ship, they are all droids, and their memory can't be hacked, and the Droidikas and B-2s will kill the crew. Third if it is a Republic Commando ship, they have no hope into convinving the crew. So they will capture a Federation ship, and Star Wars will have a spying advantage.

Star Wars is more high tech. Star Wars have more weapons are tech up it's sleeves then you know.

You need fuel, how will the Federation get that? Plus if you beam a starfighter, it will keep on firing, and as I said before you can't beam the hyperdrive out. You don't need fuel if you have hypermatter generators.

They escaped tractor beams plenty of times in EU. In Legacy of the Force: Fury, they jump to hyperspace when Jacen's Star Destroyer used it's tractor beams.

 

by way of comparison

m4 carbine: 1,500 USD
M240 Medium Machine Gun: 6,600 USD
f-22 Raptor Fighter : 171.775 Million USD
CVN-77 USS George Washington: 3.8 Billion USD

10 Richest people in the world
Rank Name Citizenship Age Net Worth ($bil) Residence
1 Warren Buffett United States 77 62.0 United States
2 Carlos Slim Helu & family Mexico 68 60.0 Mexico
3 William Gates III United States 52 58.0 United States
4 Lakshmi Mittal India 57 45.0 United Kingdom
5 Mukesh Ambani India 50 43.0 India
6 Anil Ambani India 48 42.0 India
7 Ingvar Kamprad & family Sweden 81 31.0 Switzerland
8 KP Singh India 76 30.0 India
9 Oleg Deripaska Russia 40 28.0 Russia
10 Karl Albrecht Germany 88 27.0 Germany

Now assuming some sort of purchasing power paritiy where 1 dollar = 1 credit (which is likely considering the american origin of the stories) the Imperial Military is getting slightly better deals on most of it's heavy equipment, and worse on it's infantry.
army one of these people could in theory afford to equip a small army/navy. I'm not sure how wealthy the elite in star wars are, but i's probably comparable, however most people don't make anywhere near that much... and the GFFA strikes me as having a huge gap between the rich and poor. much like our own.

Table 1: National Average Per Capita Income using PPP method
Rank Country Per Capita Income in US$
1 Luxembourg 54,430
2 Bermuda N/A 36,000
3 United States 37,500
4 Norway 37,300
5 Liechtenstein N/A 25,000
6 Channel Islands N/A
7 Switzerland 32,030
8 Denmark 31,210
9 Ireland 30,450
10 Iceland 30,140
_________________________
199 Madagascar 800
201 Congo, Rep. 710
201 Ethiopia 710
203 Guinea-Bissau 660
204 Congo, Dem. Rep. 640
205 Burundi 620
206 Tanzania 610
207 Malawi 600
208 Sierra Leone 530

Just because one person owns an ISD doesn't make it cheap

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m240g.htm
http://www.pafoa.org/forum/rifles-42/21972-more-grousing-about-m16.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-cost.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/cvn-77.htm
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/10/billionaires08_The-Worlds-Billionaires_Networth.html

 

Evidence?


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You need fuel, how will the Federation get that? Plus if you beam a starfighter, it will keep on firing, and as I said before you can't beam the hyperdrive out. You don't need fuel if you have hypermatter generators.

They escaped tractor beams plenty of times in EU. In Legacy of the Force: Fury, they jump to hyperspace when Jacen's Star Destroyer used it's tractor beams.[/QUOTE]

Two words... Dampening Field

also, you contradict your self. first you say you need fuel, then you say you don't.

why doesn't the blockade runner in the first frikin' scene of A New Hope just hypespace away from the ISD then?

 

I thought Bill Gates is 1st. Anyways 1 dollar worth alot less then 1 Republic Credits. The Rich people in Star Wars are :

1.Palpatine
2.Darth Vader
3.Kuat of Kuat
4.Thrawn
5. Palpatin's important advisers
6. Tenel Ka
7. House of Tagge
8. Boba Fett
9. Senators

They all have alot of credits, more then our's have but Star Destroyers aren't for sale( at the right price ). If they want to buy it, thye need to pay alot more then what the Imperials are paying for. There is millions of Star Destoryers and other ships. The Death Star alone cost alot. The Imperials are richer then Earth and the Federation.

 

Read EU. Thats all I have to say or here is a list of books I use as reference :
Fury
Revalations
Dark Empire
Thrawn Triology
Betrayal

The blockade runner was pulled by strong gravity wells thats four times of a planet. I said they don't need fuel only if they have hypermatter generators and Starfighters don't.

 

1.it can't be moved because it draws its energy from the gravity wells of Talus and Tralus if i am not mistaken.

2. read my posts. 1 ISD2=8 GCSs at the very pesimistic UFP scenario

lol, i guess it would go like this:
A: sir they are firing at us
B: signal that centerpoint thingy to crush that torpedo!

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you do have a sense of humor, i like that

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yes lady, there are at least 64 heavy turbo lasers and much more medium and light turbo lasers. if you read my posts you'd see that a calculate all of that into my presentation.

 

then enlighten me. tell me how they work. and tell me how do SW cloacks work. i'll know if you made things up

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granades in open space????
i'm glad i skipped on the EU books

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hah! detailed scans would do the trick. and i would like to see them jumping near gravity shadows/wells or without a clear trajectory. or disabled for that part.