Star Wars vs Star Trek

And, you are also a virgin.

 

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Well, if by shit you mean cold hard facts, then yes I do tend to repeat those again and again. But it is because of people like you, whom Trekkies everywhere loathe, that I have repeat these facts again and again.

Well, if they were lies you would be able to produce the numbers and calculations to say they were. You have yet to do this.

Star Wars physics resembles reality a lot more than Star Trek ever has or will. Just becuase they put a fancy name on it, does not make it more advanced.

 

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Oh god, when has Star wars even mentioned physics? Again, I see Star Wars as nothing more than a fantasy; I would never call it Sci-fi. Since it many of its characteistics defy the very nature of logic, I do not see the point of debating the science within it.

 

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Note for all those people wanting to bring in unique items. That is possible, provided the item or creator still exist.

The Genesis Device was a unique item, never again produced even slightly successfully, or Federation would be terraforming planets.

The Star Forge is quasi unique. It takes a race of Force sensitives to build one, but then again there are other races that all force sensitive. One of these is not likely to enter the fray.

Death Stars are not unique, they are consturcted of common technology, albeit in on a scale nothing in Star Trek can match except V'ger and the Dyson sphere and even those are not nearly as powerful.

Centerpoint Station is unique, but still operational.

World Devastators are not unique and in many respect far superior to the Star Forge as they are mobile.


I understand Jedi's exuberance, but it is only fair to keep to these simple rules. If it is not unique it is going to be in the fight. If it is unique it is not. So no Genesis device, no Xindi super weapon, no Tempral weapon, no Star Forge, no Galaxy Gun, and no Suncrusher.

 

With common technology, tell me how they made the death star? To me, that is a characteristic of SW that defies reality, completely.

 

They haven't mentioned physics in the movies, which makes it much like real life. Pilots, Smugglers, and Soldiers hardly ever speak of physics they just use what they know.

Star Wars weapons are no less realistic than Phasers, and in fact are more realistic. A Blaster provides 100% of the energy to effect the target the way it does. A phaser somehow borrows the energy from the target to effect it. Which one sounds like magic now?

Star Wars FTL is the same way. The hyperdrive shunts the ship through an noneinsteinian universe where the ships engines can accelerate the vessel to superrluminal speeds. Star Trek uses a complex bubble of reality that they shorten space in front of them and lengthen it behind them or in an alternate theory they disassemble space in front of them and reassemble behind them. Of the two the Warp drive violates logic as much as it does physics.

Star Wars does not attempt to add the popular theory word of the week. It is assumed that normal people in SW hardly ever discuss such things. Which is much like our real world. Star Trek uses treknobabble as their plot and solution much too often. It is as if psuedo science is the major protagonist of the series.

 

Common to Star Wars. How was that not apparant?

And this coming from some one who like a weapon that creates some sort of weird particle reaction in materials that are incredibly stable.

 

You are appearing to be talking in circles. Just tell me how the people in SW made the Death star.

Huh?

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If they knew EXACTLY to the kilogram what was on the ship they could try to measure the gravity exerted on the surrounding asteroid, again provided they knew EXACTLY the mass of all the surrounding asteroids and their movements and such and so forth.

The situation made such detection extremely difficult. Especially since the falcon is a negligable weight compared to an ISD.

 

Well, first was the research on the power supply. The super-laser was easy as it was a common technology, witness AOTC. There there builfding the station framework and you continue from there. The point is they built two and the plans are not lost and it takes no unique individual one to build another.

i do notice you are ignoring the points of ST technology being much less realistic than SW technology.

 

And now please tell me when this was EVER at all metioned in any of the SW movies?

 

Okay, on the so called Children's books the ICS series. Only a complete coward would use such an argument against what is a well reserched and written book. Unless you can diprove , with calculations and evidence, the facts given in those books you have no right to criticize them. In fact you making the cowardly claims just demonstrates that you cannot refute the book so instead prefer just hurl insults.

 

Doesn't need to be. It's mentioned in the novels and the movies do not disagree. In fact the rebellion got the plans for the first Death Star in Episode IV and we see Superlasers used on the troop transports in Episode 2.

 

Where do you get these numbers? If you're talking about the bene gesserits on lampadas then you are forgetting that that was only reverend mothers... not the initiates or workmen or the inherent population.

Doesn't need a source of them being used.
A. Ixian navigation machines are capable of folding space near to the same accuracy as the guild.
B. Stoneburner's are devastating weapons
C. Dune has small scout ships capable of foldspace.
It is entirely conceivable to place a stoneburner on said ships and set the navigation system remotely to target a stardestroyer or centerpoint or... the list goes on.

Yes, SW can detect extra-dimesional travel (hyperspace) but it has not been seen that they can detect inter-dimensional travel (foldspace).

Actually I did some reading on Dune ships in Chapterhouse. They do not use shields by then which means that armor is the key defense in Dune. Duncan Idaho brought back the use of shielding to use against the HM in Chapterhouse. Lasguns and projectile weapons would be the primary attacks. Now remember Dune has harnessed the power of subatomic particles. Calling Dune weapons 'atomics' is a misnomer to their power out put... with the proper term being sub-atomics. Tell me, which will create more energy, splitting the nucleus of an atom or splitting the particles that make up that atom?

I know only of a combat range for SW being 5,000 km, that is not including superweapons but rather straight on combat. So Dune ships would only need to be outside that range and launch their kamikaze foldspace ships.

No-ship transports (you have not shown me that SW could actually track a Dune no-ship). The force is not applicable to those outside their universe, metawhatevertheyare don't exist in biologicals outside their galaxy-universe. The bene gesserit use a person's psyche against them and commands the instinctual background when using voice. A darkside adept would not be able to do much. and if... i say if... the bene gesserit were suddenly infused with the force creatures they would be stronger at using it than the jedi or sith(bene gesserits have complete command of their biological systems and can manipulate whatever enters their body).

Dune was turned into a molten ball of slag at the end of heretics (a book written by Frank). I have been using almost completely Frank's writings. I have only used Brian's when debating ST and mostly to counter Q if they pulled that card.

Does that matter? So what if humanity is tied together in the dune universe.

watching what traffic, you don't have the ability to detect no-ships (haven't proven that one to me yet) and you can't scan for inter-dimensional travel only extra-dimensional. You would only be able to see guild heighliners and if they're not the primary transports for military (which is true in chapterhouse-- the last book written by frank--) and no-ships in fact are used in such a fashion (that was the method of attack by the bene gesserit against gammu and junction at the end of chapterhouse) then tell me how in the hell are you going to determine the command centers in the Dune universe?

You said back on page 50 something of this thread that Dune would beat the ST universe hands down. Now ST shows the ability to be a challenge for SW... therefore Dune must be a greater challenge. I can quote you if you want... in fact i will.

Wrong, the no-ship field masks all traceable energy emmisions. Only on stand-by can one see the ship and interact with it. Force prescience can only see what the metawhatevertheyare are part of and Dune doesn't have these.

There were that many numbers at his command but he thought he was only suppressing a fremen revolt... he suffered the same thing that the SW empire constantly has.... OVERCONFIDENCE.

Thank you Antaran for supporting the numbers here btw. I think there was a estimate of worlds possessed by Leto II earlier on in this thread.

There is still resistance in Iraq... albeit not the previous nation but resistance none the less.

America used guerrilla tactics once they realised they couldn't meet the british in standard infantry combat. and the rifle example is wonderful... they used their longer range for a combat advantage. much like dune would use the instantaneous travel and foldspace weapons.

Dune must be equal if it can beat ST hands down.

yeah, you have one person... the dune universe is almost completely based on deception.

They wrote a book together... isn't that enough.

Holzman tech.

phasers are nadions, read antarans critique on the reaction of dune shield and fed phasers. plus dune beats ST according to you.

 

There you are scott... amazing how the past haunts some people....

 

what. crush the torpedo??? do you know what the genesis device is?

 

1. cartograpfh the entire Miliky Way? sure, after several centuries they'll face the Feds with temporal ships

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2. ISD2s are 2.something times less destructive then the ventral array of a GCS, and most likely at least times 8 times less destructive then the entire ship's ordinance. so 3000 ISD2s=375GCSs in terms of firepowe.

 

you did not answer my question. i repeat: do you know how cloacks work in ST?

 

what, now they toss granates in space combat. fission granates?????

 

does it even mater which is more realistic? but here you go:
1. real life???? more like a western i'd say???

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2. you know (and i'm sure you do) that at least in theory the warp drive is possible, unlike the SW hyperdrive.

as for blasters and phasers, those are all mambo-jambo.