No such a thing as premature ejaculation!

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  1. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Quite a few women do, but it is really beside the point. I could have called it premature orgasm. It still has the same connoctations...

    My hairy ass is subjective, not definitions. Most definitions agree, if you compare different dictionaries. Since they couldn't agree on the definition of PE that shows the bullshitness of it.

    Which is not the issue. Babymaking is. But you made my point. If penis in the vagina isn't that important for the female's climax, why do we make it part of the definition when the dick goes limp???

    It is, period. Sexual relationship with multiple partners, according to definition.Not legally but by nature, that is polygamous. But it is a sideissue really.


    What is unreasonable? That was my example about, in the case of Jon, the time was fine with the mistess, but too short with the wife.

    Anyway, since I said everything there was to be said, as a closing argument:

    The idiot who came up with the phrase premature ejaculation didn't know shit about statistics and human nature. I understand what he was trying to describe but gave an incredibly sexist, degrading and naturally untrue name to the event when a couple has different climaxing time.

    Because that is what PE is: difference in climaxing time. That's how they should have called it: slight sexual incompetence, based on climaxtime.

    Of course it is based on the romantic (but unrealistic) notion that couples should climax together. Well, since most people are different mathematically speaking chances are that there WILL be a difference. Now how a couple cope with it? That is the question.

    Nevertheless giving this incredibly stupid name to the otherwise quite natural occurance for decades newspapers and psychologists made men feel inadequate, when they behaved, well, naturally.

    As I said before, there is actually a rare case of PE from babymaking point of view, where a decent and objective definition can be given, but if that happens to a youngster, repeat action cures it (and seriously a youngster shouldn't be making babies). I seriously doubt it happens for older man, or if so must be very rare.

    There you have it your honour. I rest my case.

    PE is dead! Long live retarded female orgasm!

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  3. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Syzygys,

    Sure premature orgasm sounds fine, it would qualify for that.

    if you call cheating polygamy then very few animals are monogamous. Cheating is a different behavior in which the female gets impregnated by another male then the male she is with and thus gets the male she is with to raise children that are not hers, the male alternative is also more complex but does not involve staying with his secret lover. Polygamy is where a male has more then one female (or vice versa) in which they all live together in a social group for extended periods.

    Babymaking is not the issue, people usually have sex for fun, not for making babies, yes babymaking is the function of sex but people get around that easily to get the pleasurable result. Since pleasure is the issue if the male and female do not think that it is working as they want it to because the male keeps finishing off to quickly and the female is perfectly functional orgasmically then PE best defines their problem.

    You can't live life by strict definitions, there is always exceptions and nuances to everything.

    Unreasonable is for a the couple and/or a consoling sexologist to decide per individual couples.

    Every time you use the word "natural" you are invalidating your argument, your running on the erroneous premise that natural is good and unchangeable.

    This is not a court that defines words and phrases.
     
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  5. Pronatalist Registered Senior Member

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    Don't you get it? The more bogus ailments they can define, the most costly treatments that are needed, and the more they can rip us off for unnaturally "medicating" sex.

    If the medical/drug industry had their way, they would half of Americans prescribed onto some drug, or so I heard somewhere.

    But seriously, there could be some sort of possible ailment there. As quite a lot of stuff must synchronize about right, for the sex act to be most effective (conceiving babies) or meaningful (procreative and enjoyable). I suspect that a "premature" ejaculation may sometimes be somewhat less satisfying, and a smaller amount of semen may ooze or flow out, but when it doesn't come too fast, the sexual tension may build up more, resulting in a larger load of semen being more forcefully shot out. Now higher amounts of semen expulsion, combined with "shooting" into the vagina, that may help make a pregnancy more likely. But I am not so sure there is enough difference to warrant costly medicalized treatment, when merely slowing down a bit, relaxing, and letting it come more naturally, may work as well?

    Futhermore, I do not believe that humans should use any means of "birth control." So is always the most forceful ejaculations the most desirable all the time? Especially with advancing age? Maybe a baby every 2 or 3 years is enough, and not a baby every 15 months? If a larger proportion of the world's "huge" population was mating naturally without the burden of awkward "birth control," maybe not everybody would necessarily want to maximize semen expulsions, so "premature ejaculation" may not always be such a big deal? Especially if they don't have a lot of time, and want just a "quickie" before work?

    Did you all understand what I am trying to say? I am not saying to make any effort to "space" or "limit" childbearing, but after I have had my 8th child, maybe I might not exactly be "trying" for another baby, but rather just letting more babies happen if they happen.

    Don't younger guys have more problem with "premature" ejaculation? Older guys may have problem, just getting it to pop off at all?
     
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  7. Pronatalist Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, I had kind of pictured it that way. Like the poor guy who spills his load, before he can even get it into his mate.

    Get it into the vagina, it's not "premature," just maybe "poor timing."

    As the old song goes, "I like a man with a slow hand. I like a man with an easy touch ... spend some time ... not come and go in a heaving rush." Did I get the lyrics about right?
     
  8. Pronatalist Registered Senior Member

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    Good speakers try to use clear terms in which your meaning, my meaning, and dictionary meaning, agree well.

    I don't like "subjective" definitions. They erode the usefulness of the term, by making its definition, sloppy, vague, confusing.

    Here's an example of what's wrong with the medically vague or "subjective" definition. Let's say that the medical rip-off industry, defines "premature ejaculation" to be the natural release of semen, in less than 4 hours of sexual intercourse. Then wouldn't something like 99.99% of people, have the "ailment?" Very few people would have the "stamina" to last that long, but maybe they can sell us some shoddy experimental pills, to fix that? IT'S AN ARBITRARY DEFINITION isn't it? Penis in vagina, seems to meet the procreative goal of sex, and it's a more objective and easily measurable standard, not based on vague, fuzzy-wuzzy standards.

    And what if some couples are pretty much happy, with a 4 minute session of "love-making?" Anything "wrong" with that then?

    By the "medical" definition, quite many animals may have PE. As for animals, sex seems more about the procreation and too utilitarian, and not so much about "love-making" and bonding. Animals are too much "Wham! Bam! Thank-you Maam."
     
  9. Pronatalist Registered Senior Member

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    Oh, I found some doosy definitions for "premature ejaculation," at urbandictionary.com

    "Producing the juice before you put it in the caboose"

    Something not quite right here? Let me reword it. "Pruducing the pearl jam before you put it in the Maam."

    "when a guy(mainly justin mundt) cums before he can get it in"

    "To jettison your bombs before the misson has been completed"

    Looks like we are right, by some of these submitted definitions.
     
  10. lepustimidus Banned Banned

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    I never understood what 'premature ejaculation' was such a big deal. Why not just use a strap on if you shoot too early?
     
  11. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Something is wrong with the world today if I have to agree with Pronatalist...

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  12. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    There is no drug for premature ejaculation. And as I said before if climaxing early doesn't bother you then its not premature ejaculation. A woman's orgasm increases the chance of pregnancy, but is not needed. Just as a man's orgasm greatly increases the chances of pregnancy, but is not needed. Why are you guys so hopped up about this? It isn't a big deal no matter which way you slice it. It isn't sexist it just is what it is. If a female partner is climaxing early there is also a sexual disorder diagnosis and again it is easily treated. I just think research has gone to far looking for answers that don't really exist because they vary from person to person. All the 40% of men who had or have a current premature ejaculation problem is just the number of men who aren't satisfied with their sex lives. I don't think the actual diagnosed number is that high though because most peeople don't go to a therapist for a problem like premature ejaculation.
     
  13. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Your ignorance is showing. Actually, quite a few medications have as a sideeffect, delayed orgasm. Zoloft is one of them, for example.

    They are VERY statisfied. Comes from the ejaculation part. It is the women whining about not being statisfied who are not statisfied.

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  14. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, but there is no drug government approved for the treatment of PE.

    Many man achieve satisfaction by knowing that their partner is satisfied. A man that only cares for his own satisfaction is likely to live a very lonely life, either that or he can live in a masognistic country and enjoy the benefits of having wives (plural) that are nothing but glorified slaves.
     
  15. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    2 minutes...?

    I'm a girl and I doubt I could delay orgasming for 2 minutes, let alone a man...O.O

    Hahahahahahaha

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    That was an excellent quote. I'm gonna write that one on my wall, along with my morbid poetry, Yevgeny Yevtushenko quotes and Visceral Bleeding lyrics.
     
  16. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    You are our girl!

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    So here is a lady without retarded female orgasm syndrome, formerly known as premature ejaculation...
     
  17. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Call it what you want but few are going to recognize what your talking about.
     
  18. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Every change starts slow. Hey, when the DSM called being gay a mental illness few people understood what the fuck they were talking about....Now we understand they were full of shit...

    Just like people who decided to call PE a normal male human behavior...
     
  19. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Change has usually been progressive not regressive. PE was "normal male human behavior" back in the day and age when men did not care what their women wanted.
     
  20. Pronatalist Registered Senior Member

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    So much TV advertising, tells us that we must look perfect, buy lots of stuff and keep up with the Jones, and of course, sex must always be "perfect." If not, buy some trendy new ED magic pills.

    I rather detest how these "in your face" advertisers, think that they can just define whatever abreviations they want, even those already taken. So what does Erectile Disfunction have to do with -ed past tense, anyway?

    I'm not so convinced of all this glamourization of "perfection," for a price, but of course. Why can't sex be sometimes somewhat "less than perfect?" There is more to life, than sex, isn't there?

    I see so many TV ads for whatever latest magical pills, to supposedly treat whatever ails us. And then they rattle off some list of side effects, like it's no big deal if your penis falls off, you go blind, your baby comes out with only 1 arm, it gives you headaches, or whatever those arcane "unimportant" side effects are. I find myself detesting, "I'm not a contraceptive user, so why would side effects be acceptable to me? Why would I use it, if it has side effects?"
     
  21. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    What does this thread have to do with media advertising? Not asking for perfection during sex, just for both sides to be happy. Sometimes the affect is more important then the side effects, preventing pregnancy is often worth the risk in blood pressure. Last time I look the side effects of a condom were trivial.
     
  22. Pronatalist Registered Senior Member

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    At least, possible pregnancy, is a very "good" and natural forward effect.

    Dulling of sensation, is hardly "trivial."

    Preventing the blessings of children, is hardly trivial.

    Even supposedly natural or Catholic-tolerated rhythm, artificially prolongs periods of high fertility, by attempting to interfere with the body's natural fertility cycle.

    And some people are alergic to latex condoms, or so I have heard. And many people seem to have issues with finding condoms that fit well.

    So I would say that condoms have way too much side effects, although maybe they don't rank as bad as some of the other contraceptive potions and poisons.

    Worth the risk in blood pressure? Surely that's not the only side effect of some of those other nasty experimental "family banning" methods? High blood pressure can lead to stroke. That's very serious! Stroke can impair body function and soon lead to death.

    Welcoming the natural flow of human life to flow naturally, unhindered, is far more natural and elegant, and advocates the precious and sacred value of each and every person. And many people probably aren't near as fertile as they think, so their families may not necessary grow all that much faster, even with the beautiful natural elegance of the "no method" method of "family planning." Besides, I don't even like the fraudulent terms. Shouldn't family planning mean planning for families to naturally grow?
     
  23. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Permanent dulling of sensation? Plastic condoms last long and have no allergic reaction potential. Preventing the horrors of a child is hardly trivial yes indead, that is the goal not the side effect, that is the primary affect.

    Everything is going to have a side effects if you look hard enough, even drinking water. Point is you got to weigh the desired affect with the chances of undesired side effects. For example many women are aware of the chance of high blood pressure, strock and heart attack while taking the progesteron-estrogen pill, yet the risk of a child overrides and they take it anyways.

    If human society flowed naturally people would be reduced to tribilism were population growth in naturally controlled by people killing each other, where we all live rough painful and short lives, such is the natural way. For us to all live happy, luxurious, long lives we need to control population though more advanced means, such empowerment of women, birth control, and family planning.
     

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