Electric solar wind sail

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by blobrana, Apr 23, 2008.

  1. blobrana Registered Senior Member

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    "The electric solar wind sail developed by Dr. Pekka Janhunen at the Finnish Meteorological Institute might revolutionise travelling in deep space. The electric sail is a Finnish invention which uses the solar wind as its thrust source and therefore needs no fuel or propellant. The solar wind is a continuous plasma stream emanating from the Sun. Changes in the properties of the solar wind cause auroral brightening and magnetic storms, among other things."

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  3. Engulfed_Door Registered Member

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    Yes, this is good, but how do you prevent damage to the sails, while traveling, seeing as how they are going to have to be massive.
     
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  5. draqon Banned Banned

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    the electric sail is not Finnish invention it was developed by Russian scientists long before they even conceived of using solar wind sail.
     
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  7. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    How do you get it to work when it gets to the outer planets where the solar winds and light are almost non existant?:shrug: How fast will this thing ever travel at for it seems that just having an electric charge won't be able to attain great speeds.

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  8. blobrana Registered Senior Member

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    Hum,
    where is your evidence for this?
     
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  10. eburacum45 Valued Senior Member

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    Cosmos1 was a light sail, using light pressure; this appears to use the solar wind which is much weaker except during a solar storm.
     
  11. draqon Banned Banned

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    so what is this "solar wind" than?

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  12. eburacum45 Valued Senior Member

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_wind
    A stream of charged particles sent out by the active surface of the Sun. When the Sun has a particularly bad outburst, a Coronal Mass Ejection,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronal_Mass_Ejection
    the number of particles increases enormously. This would increase the thrust on any vessel using the solar wind accordingly.

    More details on solar wind sailing;
    http://www.electric-sailing.com/
    However an electric sail could in theory be much lighter than a light-propelled sail.
     
  13. draqon Banned Banned

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    eburacum...dont give me links...solar wind is same thing as light pressure, ok.
     
  14. eburacum45 Valued Senior Member

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    No. It isn't. The third link I gave you states quite clearly that the average pressure from the solar wind is 5000 times less powerful than the light pressure. But an electric sail can consist of a loop of charged wire, while a light sail needs to be a sheet of flexible mirror fabric, so is heavier.
     
  15. draqon Banned Banned

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    well fine...I guess the issue here is were did u get that Cosmos 1 uses only photon light pressure and not solar wind? ! cause Cosmos 1 uses solar wind

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  16. eburacum45 Valued Senior Member

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    Cosmos 1 would have used light pressure for propulsion, not the solar wind. Unfortunately the rocket failed on take-off.

    The difference between a light sail and an electric sail can be seen in these images;

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    Cosmos 1


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    Electric sail
    The Electric sail is much lighter, but the pressure from the solar wind is much less.
     

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