Do atheists indocrinate their children into their belief system?

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by S.A.M., Mar 23, 2008.

  1. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    I'm glad to hear you think so, but there is little reason to focus this on theists. All of us base most of our beliefs on hearsay. Hearsay that fits (and likely creates or selectively edits) what we experience.

    Do you see what you did? You identified with a third party. If you were the person knocked down you might take on the idea that the pusher was a male, but you damn well know that someone pushed you down and you would not take your own belief as hearsay. I think it is very important you consider the jump you made in the way you used that example. You went to a third party. For the one knocked down their belief is based on vastly more than hearsay. God, in this case, may not be male, but someone pushed them down.

    Well, you start this paragraph in basic agreement with me. The fact is that in terms of belief they are not expecting you to believe because of their experiences or conviction. Period.
     
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  3. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    Blah, blah. I don't want that noble shit from those around me.
    Of course I am not expecting returns. If my wife gets tapped by a car and falls down, I rush over to her and help her up. I do not say 'REmember to put this on the list of things I did for you.'

    If a third party walked up to us and said 'Oh, look how wonderful how he served you.' We would both look at them like they were an idiot. And the same if I spent two weeks caring for my wife when she is sick. Or whatever.

    I really think there is something sick about this notion of service, it has that smack of self-sacrificial pride about it

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    SAM

    it is hardly restricted to a specific culture or set of cultures and it is all over Western religions

    or JFK's

    Ask not what your country can do for you, etc.

    I do not need that word to do the same things.

    Ugh. It makes me sick just thinking about it.

    It's like things I would do naturally suddenly become signs of nobility or spirituality. Makes me want to vomit. I would not want that attitude from those I love. And I don't get it.

    They do, however, care for me and help me and love me.
     
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  5. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    That it it isn't really "their" version at all. Objective reality doesn't belong to atheists. Unless you consider logic and reason indoctrination.
     
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  7. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Unless the belief was indoctrinated, then it was never a choice.
     
  8. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    ignorance
     
  9. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    that's because children who are taught to think for themselves tend to pick the logical option
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Of course, nothing to do with their parents not believing in God.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    It could also go the other way. Think they are better than everyone else and consider other people stupid and delusional. This would be followed by undermining the choices offered by these stupid people and then by imposing your own dogma for living on them, through re-education or "I am God" ideologies.
     
  12. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    of course it does

    but I'm sure you can tell the difference between that, and indoctrination
     
  13. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    oooor, it could go a third way and create nice, perfectly normal people


    awful generalizations on your part
     
  14. greenberg until the end of the world Registered Senior Member

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    If by "normal" and "nice" you mean neurotic, "unhappy in the common way" as Freud would have it.
     
  15. Roman Banned Banned

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    Yeah, it's true.
    I was raised like Repo Man would raised his kids, and it's been a life of misery. I read Neitzshce every day and weep silently. Which is a bummer, because it makes my eyeliner run.

    Then I put on my trench coat and go shoot people and feel bad some more.
     
  16. greenberg until the end of the world Registered Senior Member

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    I can relate to this very well. I cringe when I hear such fancy words coming from someone I thought was a friend.

    One reason for this distaste for fancy words for everyday things might have to do with the overjustification effect.

    Although the overjustification effect is usually linked with material extrinsic motivation, the distaste for fancy words for everyday things might operate by a similar principle.

    Similarly, one enjoys being kind and loving, and expresses it in plain everyday words.
    But when pressed to put it into fancy words, the once homely and familiar love and kindness are presented in an externalized manner (ie. it's not really your language), as something foreign - and one loses interest in it, because it's made external, foreign.


    But then again, some people simply are used to use big, fancy words.
     
  17. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    how are you going to back this up?

    can you prove a correlation between secular education and... "despair" ?
     
  18. Roman Banned Banned

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    Does it matter? All she has to do is believe, and that's good enough for her. If she had to present evidence, she may sink into despair!
     
  19. Roman Banned Banned

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    Or shoot someone!
     
  20. Roman Banned Banned

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    Or heroin!
     
  21. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    I'm pretty sure a person can learn to be respectful without being raised in "church".
    And I'm pretty sure that love, not brainwashing, is what children need to become nice and normal.
     
  22. Roman Banned Banned

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    And discipline.
     
  23. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    so you can't conceive of anything that could possibly transpire which would make you divorce your partner or your partner divorce you?
    IOW it doesn't take too much imagination to see the limits of one's "service attitude" to another in this world.
    I only mention this to indicate the fallibility of material relationships (they are inherently temporary/limited)
     

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