Star Wars vs Star Trek

incorrect. Enterpirse D took tensecond of continous fire with phaser banks to drill a 1 meter radius hole ten kilometers deep. This is 31,415.9 cubic meters. Now the Avenger was vaporizing 20, 40, 60, 80 and 100 meter radius asteroids in less than 1/15 second. These are 33,510.3, 268,082.5, 904,778.6, 2,144,660.5, and 4,188,790.2 cubic meters. Even if you quarter those figures for the irregular shaped asteroids that still far outstrips the absolute best we have seen phasers do.

You are indeed correct, however this does prove that Star trek Weapons are simply not in power range that some trekkies believe. if it takes hundreds of torpedoes to destroy a 5 kilometer radius asteroid they are simply not gigaton or even megaton weapons.

Actually the power running through the weapon has an awful lot to do with the effect, but you are right it is the effect on the object that determines the abilities of the weapon.

Never in the history of Star trek have we seen a Phaser even come close to a Light Turbolaser. In fact we have seen no regularly used weapon in Star trek that has out performed it's counterpart in Star Wars.

 

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He said that? wow.

Depending on the situation, in this situation laser is mis-named.

 

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Light-turbolaser is not used on Ventors.

 

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Well seeing as we see the Turbolasers vaporize massive asteroids in fractions of a second. It is quite possible that Durasteel and Duraarmor is much more energy resistant than other materials. In the case of people a balster has either killed a person immediately or the shot has been a glancing blow. The only exception was the Jedi that Jango had to shoot 3 times before that jedi fell to his death. It is also of note that jango shot the equivalengt to an elephant sized rhino with just one blaster shot to kill it.

 

Actually a single or even paired fighters against a Star Destroyer is suicide for the fighters. Even a wing of them is an uneven match. This is not like aircraft carrier duking it out, sending planes to do it's dirty work. In Star Wars the carriers are also battle ships. The Fighter's firepower supplements the Capital ships in order to help cripple the enemy vessel after the shields are hammered down.

is this so hard to understand?

 

Here is a tactic for Republic an CIS taking over Earth and Vulcan

First, they send 10 Lucrehulk-class LH-3210 cargo freighter, 100 Frigates and 50 Dreadnaughts as distraction, and to neutrilze Earth Spacedock. Then they send 2 CIS fleets and 2 Republic fleets to Vulcan to draw the rest of the Starfleet there. Then the send 2 Republic and 2 CIS fleets to every founder world of the UFP, then the Starfleet will sparate to protect all the worlds. Then they send one fleet to each Starbase, to again sparate the Starfleet. Then they send 4 Republic fleets and 4 CIS fleets, and 50 Lucrehulk-class LH-3210 cargo freighter to Deep Space 9 and destroy it. Then they send 200 CIS Crusiers and 100 Ventors to Earth and 1000 Dreadnaughts to Vulcan. And the rest divide and attack all the founder worlds. By the time that happened, the Starfleet will be taking too much casuilties , and the half Starbases will be destroyed .The Republic and CIS's distaction ships will be taking casulties too. Then the Republic and CIS regroup and only attack the founder worlds only. Then they regroup again for an final assult on Earth, after Earth is occupied and they go conqure Vulcan.

 

Acully, Starfighters are used because they are small enough to go sabatodge in some cases.

 

Hello all

Not all lasers are continuous. See here http://www.engin.umich.edu/research...rimentalfacilities/HERCULESPetawattLaser.html

Here is a link discussing damage effects.
https://www.llnl.gov/str/MPerry.html

So the assumption that "turbo lasers" are not lasers because they are not continuous is false.

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Actually we say they are not lasers becuase they do not act like lasers in any respect.

 

Incorrect. the average human response time when given with massive muscle movement is .5 seconds. Moving a clicking a mouse is far different than seeing a laser blast checking your reading and reaching for your shields switch, or god forbid you tell your R2 unit to power up the shields.

It's a simple matter of brainspeed. Of course most pilots would just jink which takes far less time, but that is one hundred percent fool proof.

 

A sonic weapon would work in space... sort of. It needs something to transfer the energy, most likely an energetic plasmid...

I dunno... seismic and sonic both need a conductor in the vacuum of space... sonic, though, at least has a viable method of transmission

 

How many times must I tell you, the Republic would not ally with the CIS.

It's like the Union army allying with the Southern army to fight the French.

 

Yes, but the Enterprise WANTED to do it SLOW you dunderhead! They were trying NOT to cause explosions, trying NOT to damage surrounding areas, and were TRYING NOT to disrupt the integrity of the crust!

This was some VERY precision work, something NO Star Wars ship could EVER attempt!

 

Ent-B, we are assuming, unlike TW CrazyAss, that it's ALL of Wars allied against ALL of Trek.

This means
Vong, Imperials, Rebels, CIS, Etc

vs

Feds, Roms, Klinks, Vulcans, Borg, Q, Betazed, 8472, Borg, Breen, Dominion, Cardassian, Ferengi, energetic Dieties, et all

To BEGIN with, Star Wars is VASTLY outnumbered... merely by the inclusion of other species...

Now, if we want to do Star Trek vs Star Wars the way each INDIVIDUAL species works, things get MUCH more complicated... but it'd basicly be

Empire + Pirates + Sith

vs

Feds, Roms, Klinks, Vulcans, Gorn, Hydran, Q (if things SOMEHOW go badly) + Rebels & Jedi

 

Excuse me, but in all honesty a sonic weapon would not work in space even with the plasma. Though if you could generate the required medium to the ranges shown in the scene you actually be better off just designing an energy pulse that has a broader effect with no limitation on deployment.

 

Well then YOU come up with a reasonable way that thing worked.

 

Considering that we have NEVER seen a phaser cuase any of those effects on a surface the cuation you ascribing is too complicated for Occam's Razor. The simpler answer is that is as fast as the phaser could drill through the materials.

As for precison work, never place bets on that. We have seen no lack of precision in Star Wars capital ship weapons. Hell in ANH the ISD crippled the Tantive VI by banking a shot off the smaller ships shields. That's precision.

 

Uhuh, you show me a screencap?

And we HAVE seen a phaser cause that - at high levels, they simply VAPORIZE large areas of material! You know... hand phaser vaporizes person, starship phaser vaporizes 40 cubic meters of rock?

 

the 3 holograms indicate that 3 officers are making raports at the time, nothing else. besides when we started this argument there were claims that this task force was biger. it apears there is no concensus on its size even with the SW fans. and how could the rest of the ISDs take care of the rebel transports if the yare allready away, t.i. entered hyperspace?

 

Actually the number of alliances might be slightly in favor of Star Trek., however the total number of sentients is heavily in Star Wars favor.

By the way it would be:

SW: Empire, Rebellion, Corporate Sector, Chiss, Ssisru, Vong, Hapans and other minor entities.

ST: Federation, Klingon Empire, Romulan Star Empire, Borg Collective. Gorn Confederacy, Kzinti Hegemony, Tholian Enclave, Hydran Monarchy, Orion Clans, Ferengi Consortium, Bajor, Cardassian Empire, Breen, Dominion, Borg, Voth, Lyran Clans, ISC, WYN cluster, and a few others that can organize themselves.

Still number of sentient beings is vastly infavor of Star Wars.