What makes the holocaust such a big deal?

Discussion in 'History' started by Roman, Apr 3, 2008.

  1. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    Two of those big ones would be good, plus elimination of the discrimination towards them and their branch of Islam on behalf of Sunni Muslims. Plus a couple of threads about them started by you, speaking in their defense, and perhaps seeing the current invasion of Afghanistan as positive for them.
     
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  3. draqon Banned Banned

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    half of the things you mentioned never happened and the other half are overly exaggerated.

    Latvia really prefers to undermine those Russians living there, devoding them of many rights and privileges. And the neo-Nazism is showing on every street there, underneath the evil Soviet statues.
     
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  5. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    Okay.
     
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  7. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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  8. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    Is that to say that they can't stay where they are because....?
     
  9. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    wait other countries had hippies
     
  10. greenberg until the end of the world Registered Senior Member

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    Roman is a college student, if I'm not mistaken.
    In some colleges, it is nowadays bad to be smart and also appear so. Smart kids must pretend to be average and dumb in order to be socially accepted.

    Perhaps this is what has happened to him - he might be a smart kid who has gotten into the habit of downplaying himself and the way he expresses himself.
     
  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Syriana, Babel, that one movie about the horse race, a few others.

    I'd be interested to hear of a movie in which American Reds are not identified as such - let alone Black ministers, etc and so forth.

    So, in Bollywood movies, are the Indians identified and the Americans simply taken for granted ?

    btw: I actually made an attempt (earlier post) to describe some of the unusual features of the Holocaust, not present in normal slaughters, that make it more of a big deal, more striking. It really was not like the Congo, Rwanda, Darfur, Bosnia , Armenia, East Timor, Ukraine, Nanking, etc etc etc. Maybe Cambodia comes the closest.
     
  12. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    It's just that the lessons of the Holocaust haven't really been learned yet by a number of people, and even whole societies. You can point the finger at whichever specific example you prefer, however.
     
  13. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    A very kind thought.
    Just so you know, I hadn't really made many decisions about Roman. I just realized how much the first step in a process has aftereffects.
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Good choice.

    Stephen Gaghan, director, writer
    "My first step in researching what would become the film, `Syriana,' was the confrontation of an inherent bias against the Arab world. So many of my received (often received from films and television) notions were simply wrong. This was a starting point for our script and Jack Shaheen's mission over the last many years. He provides an incredibly valuable book in the breaking down of the stereotyping and racism that fires miscommunication from both sides of the ideological gulf."
    http://www.amazon.com/Guilty-Hollyw...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207398063&sr=8-1
     
  15. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    speaking of the arab world, i understand they do not view the holocaust as the west does. especially when you see the caricatures and shows on jews done in egypt for example.


    so are you celebrating on the holocaust memorial day SAM?

    "why everyone hate the jews

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  16. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I note that Syriana and Babel both also illustrate the meme contrary to Xev/Gen's point above, and reinforce my case.
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed.


    http://www.geocities.com/elethinker/RG/Finkelstein.html
     
  18. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    My word! So the Swiss are overpaying, possibly, for their assistance to Nazi Germany, which was massacring all those people. Tsk, tsk!

    I'm very surprised - I mean, don't the Swiss, bankers par excellence, know the money value of a Jew? My heavens! In some countries the blood money value of a Jew isn't even half - I'll have you know! - of a regular person - you know. Regular. And they're overpaying! How sad.
     
  19. greenberg until the end of the world Registered Senior Member

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    Of course.
     
  20. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    /off topic

    Green, I love your theme :thumbsup:
     
  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    As usual you completely miss the point.

    Do you recognise whats missing from all the discussions on the Holocaust? All the spotlight on Nazi crimes, on the inhumanity, on the atrocities, the bias, the prejudice, the torture, the suffering, everything? All the thousands of memorials?

    This:

    - some 40 percent of Holocaust survivors in Israel are living below the poverty line.

    -An Israeli government offer of a new $20 monthly stipend for Holocaust survivors provoked outrage Tuesday, with survivors charging the meager allowance will do nothing to make up for years of neglect of the 240,000 Israelis who lived through Nazi horrors.

    -"We know what the conditions of the Holocaust survivors are in Holland, France, Germany and Poland. They are much better than in Israel," Noah Frug, chairman of a consortium of Holocaust survivors' organizations and a survivor himself, told Israel Radio.

    -Holocaust Survivors Still Owed Up to $175 Billion

    -"I want the Germans to know where the money they gave Israel went," he said angrily. "I want the Germans to know that Israel took the money we should have received. I want them to answer one question: Where did our money go?"

    in other words, the survivors themselves.
     
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  22. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Ah! So they haven't paid enough? Then make them pay more. But wasn't your lead-in to this point that you thought that

    So are they paying too little or too much to the accurs - I mean, nice Jewish lobby? Either as a group it's blown out of proportion - which Stormin' Norman above seems to think; such a nice fellow, he really took my email all wrong that time - or its too little and doesn't get to the people it needs to. Which is it? I can hardly believe that the aggrieved conditions of poor Holocaust survivors is giving anti-Semites any nightmares, Samwise.

    :shrug:
     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Still missing the point completely:
    http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=3&ar=98
     

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