The purpose Life has

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Vkothii, Feb 23, 2008.

  1. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Yes, of course it is.
    But you nonetheless acted with intent.
    Explain how acting with intent is unintentional...?

    What you mean is: "when I intentionally stubbed my toe on a rock that I didn't see, I really wished I had also intentionally looked down to see where I was intentionally stepping".
    You intentionally did not look down, however. This was not what you wanted to happen after all, which is what you mean with "I wasn't paying attention". Again, what you mean is: "I didn't look down".

    Like I said, it's an accepted turn of phrase. But it doesn't follow, logically. If you're walking, you're acting intentionally.
    If you sit on a chair, you're acting intentionally. If the chair turns out to have something on it you didn't see, you'll sit on that too, regardless of what you thought the chair was (i.e. just a chair, with nothing on it that you shouldn't really sit on).
     
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  3. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    I'm out; you make no sense.
     
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  5. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I acted with intent with regard to walking and maybe even with regard to not paying attention, but surely not with regard to stub my toe.

    No, I mean that I didn't intent for my toe to get stubbed. I should have payed attention so I wouldn't have stubbed my toe.
    How can one intentionally act on something that is not perceived i.e. does not exist in the mind ?

    You walk intending to walk, not to stub your toe.
    You sit on a chair intending to sit, not to fall off.

    If you don't know about somethings existence you can't act on it intentionally.
     
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  7. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Do you believe that information can "arrive" without a connection being established?
     
  8. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    So, when did the act of walking intentionally become the "unintentional act" of toe-stubbing?
     
  9. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    lol so how do we intentionally act on something we don't know the existence of ? Like the rock I didn't see. There was no connection (I didn't see it), so how can the information arrive needed for me to intentionally stub my toe ?
     
  10. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    It didn't become the "unintentional act" of toe-stubbing as it never was intended.
     
  11. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Vk do you understand the implications of your 'theory' ?

    For example:
    If a girl gets raped, she intended to get raped according to you.
     
  12. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    OK, when did the intentional act of walking become the "intentional act" of toe-stubbing?
     
  13. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Never :bugeye:
     
  14. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Theory?
    It's what happens, it's not a theory.
    The example of rape you suggest is egregious. Someone intent on rape is the agent, not the victim.

    But we simply do not do things "unintentionally". This is only a way we say things like that; it "makes sense", but it isn't what actually happens. Everything we do, and everything any autonomous agent does, is intentional. You might say it's a matter of choice.
     
  15. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    So, you never stubbed your toe intentionally or unintentionally, then?
     
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    'tsal s'mairntucs cuzz'n.
     
  17. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    No, it's the same thing.
    The rape victim intended to take that shortcut through the alley where the rapist was hiding. Just as I intended to not pay attention to the road.
     
  18. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I have stubbed my toe unintentionally. I think you misread a post back there...
     
  19. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    Vk

    When I spent some time in Saudi Arabia I was given to understand that if I was involved in a car accident " because I was there". Had I not been there, I would not have been involved in the accident. It was meant in the sense that, being a foreigner, I should not have been there. But you would interpret it literally. Does it make sense to you ? If not, why not ?

    As has already been pointed out to you, you are confusing causality with intentionality
     
  20. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    Humour is an essential skill in any discussion methinks.

    Well, with respect to "factum", I was playing somewhat of a semantic game.
    What I implied in my comment was that I consider any act ( deed, as you put it) to be a fact (all post hoc of course...).

    I was thinking more along the lines of "god" ( or "monad", or "Form", or "Ding An Sich", etc...).


    I disagree wholeheartedly for the very reason you mention in your last sentence. Philosophy, at its best, serves as 'midwife' for Science, showing it the way, by means that science is unable to include.

    I do. And her husband Paul as well. Both Canadians I might add.

    I love an interesting tangent...
     
  21. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    Perhaps. As I pointed out yesterday, it is critical to distinguish between Intention and Cause.

    Ah, but simply because we've given something a lexical definition, this doesn't imply its existence.....


    Simply because an agent can plan to act. Nonetheless, our intention has nothing to do with the state of affairs at any given point in time. An intention is a purely mental state; once it moves into the material realm, nothing but entropy rules.
     
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  23. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    OK but how did this "unintentional" act occur?
    The connection, was your toe, surely.
    But you did stub your toe, when your toe connected with the rock.
    When the connection occured, you received the information about the rock you didn't see (with your eyes). You got to "see" it with your toe instead.
     

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