"Out of Africa" theory: a done deal

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Fraggle Rocker, Feb 22, 2008.

  1. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    Randomly capitalized perhaps; but still sound advice.
     
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  3. kazakhan Registered Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    Some would disagree...



    We, as in racists?
     
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  5. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Huh??? We do have mountains of evidence. It would indeed be a lie to say that we don't know something that we do know.
     
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  7. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    They're saying aborigines aren't actually homo erectus, I never said they were.
    The fact they felt obliged to point that out only confirms what I said - that aborigines have more homo erectus-y characteristics than other human populations.
    So much so some scientists can nearly confuse aborigine bones for homo erectus bones, it turns out.
    Weird.
    Thanks for the info.

    Why would racists skirt around something to avoid hurting aborigines feelings?
    I was thinking more along the lines of "pussies", "we" was just a figure of speach to make pussies feel less alone (they're a sensitive bunch), I don't skirt around it.
     
  8. Bells Staff Member

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    You have proof of this of course?

    A word of advice, before you come out with such claims, at the very least, do some research to back up your argument.

     
  9. kazakhan Registered Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    It's usually a racist that claims an ethnicity other than their own is less advanced.
     
  10. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    Bells, none of that conflicts with anything I've said.
     
  11. John99 Banned Banned

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    This is just getting more bizarre as the thread progresses.

    According to the quote in Bells post that we all evolved equally and that inbreeding was involved then how in the hell do we all look different? No i dont mean slight difference like hair color but clear differences that are consistant.

    for example:

    shape of eyes
    skin color
    height

    So basically we all evolved at exactly the same time from a common ancestor and were inbred.

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  12. LORD_VOLDEMORT Banned Banned

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    Science Proves We Come From 1 Common Female African Ancestor.to Simply Deny Or Try To Discredit The Proof Is Rather Delusional.i Have Not Kept Up With This Thread,however I Imagined Someone Would Try To Discredit That All Humans Derive From A Common African,perhaps Some Caucasion With An Inferiority Complex?
     
  13. DeepThought Banned Banned

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    This isn't suprising. Early humans suffered from 'prognathism', or the projection of a lower, larger jaw. A physical characteristic which is accompanied by a lower, receding forehead, smaller brain capacity and less developed chin. The Neanderthals suffered from this and to an extent so do the Aborigines and many sub-Saharan African populations.

    Below is an image showing the gradual evolution, over millions of years, of the human skull in which the jaw has reduced in size and the upper cranium risen allowing brain expansion. I believe the first skull is that of a chimpanzee inserted for comparison.

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    Interestingly, most mammals have prognathism. Just look at lions, tigers, cats, dogs, etc...
     
  14. skaught The field its covered in blood Valued Senior Member

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    I agree that it is usually perceived this way, but only by the perceiver. And of course by the one who is "less advanced". I for example love and adore dogs, but I can say with confidence that I am a more advanced being than a dog.

    Not to back up claims that aborigines are less advanced. I just think that saying that people are different doesn't make one a racist. People are different. Not just among races, but even down to the nationality level. Take a tour of Europe and see how the Germans differ fro the dutch, or how Ukrainians differ from Spaniards. Or go to Asia and see how Koreans differ from Japanese, Vietnamese differ from Chinese... All these people differ slightly not just in appearance, but to attitudes, beliefs, skills and talents, culturally etc... None of them are "superior" and none of them are "inferior". they're just different. And all of them have many gifts to contribute to humanity as a whole.

    I just fell that people are so eager to toss around the term racist and call someone a racist for whatever reason they can.
     
  15. LORD_VOLDEMORT Banned Banned

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    Superiority complexes resulting from feeling inferior to something.Thats how i see those who carry the I AM A BETTER HUMAN than he is mentality.
     
  16. skaught The field its covered in blood Valued Senior Member

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    I never said I was better, just that I was different. Did you actually read my post? I agree that superiority complexes result from feelings of inferiority. But In re reading my own post, I really don't think that I came off as claiming superiority. I guess I was right when I said people are quick to call someone a racist. Maybe you're looking for whatever reason you can to be a racist, so you are quick to call someone a racist.
     
  17. LORD_VOLDEMORT Banned Banned

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    :bugeye:I never insinuated that you were said you were better.I was just simply responding lol
     
  18. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    ZH may be correct if we reinterpret his assertions to mean that the Ancient Egyptian people in the era of Egyptian civilization were not members of the community of "black" Africans as the term is used to describe ethnicity in historical times. The Ancient Egyptians were members of a genetic group that includes the Semitic, Hamitic, Cushitic, Berber and several other groups. Their language was clearly of the Afro-Asiatic family which includes Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic and Amharic.

    The history of the people of northeastern Africa is interwined with the people of southwestern Asia--duh! Even during the past couple of millennia for which we have meticulous records, there have been a multitude of migrations and conquests back and forth across the Red Sea and the Sinai, and lately even the Mediterranean. This turbulence clearly goes back to bibilical times and beyond. Their genetics are precisely as complex as their family trees.

    If someone wants to insist that the Egyptians were an Asian people rather than an African people, it is no more "wrong" than me saying I'm an American even though all thirty-two of my great-great-great grandparents lived in Europe. But it's also no more scientific than my own statement. The Egyptians were one of only six peoples who independently invented the technology of civilization. If someone is keeping score and wants to give credit for that to their background of Asian Neolithic culture from one bloodline rather than their background of African Neolithic culture from one of their other bloodlines, it's all just conjecture anyway. As I've said elsewhere, only the Olmecs should get a special award for their development of civilization because they're the only people who managed to do it without draft animals! And their "special award" was that the wise, noble and peaceful Christians obliterated their civilization. As we get embroiled in arguments over who deserves credit for what, it's worth bearing in mind the humbling truth that life isn't fair anyway.

    But as to the ultimate origin of the Egyptians--far beyond the migration patterns of the last ten or fifteen thousand years that were all scholars had to base their theories on until very recently--we now have overwhelming and incontrovertible evidence that the ancient Egyptians, just like every one of us who is not an African or a hyphenated African-something else, were the descendants of one African tribe now represented only by the San people.

    Hawass can spew whatever propaganda he wants, but he's just spitting into the wind. The title of this thread is now a scientific "truth beyond a reasonable doubt": The "out of Africa" theory is a done deal.
     
  19. zarlok Banned Banned

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    Nonsense. You said it wouuld be a lie, meaning you somehow know the "truth". That's not a scientific approach, it's a punditry laced with agenda, just liike thiis one:


    Who do you think you are kidding?
     
  20. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    If you intend to dispute the "out of Africa" theory now that overwhelming evidence has been provided for it, you're going to have to provide your own evidence or this post will be considered trolling. Trolling is a violation of the rules. And it has to be extraordinary evidence because under these circumstances your assertion--challenging an established and respected scientific theory rather than a hypothesis--is an extraordinary assertion. Without substantiation it is one of the worst forms of trolling.
     
  21. LORD_VOLDEMORT Banned Banned

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    Informative!

    Didnt the Egyptians trace there ancestry to the land of punt? (Present day Ethiopia)
     
  22. zarlok Banned Banned

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    Your statements show you do not support, follow, or understand scientific inquiry, which is exactly the opposite what you claimed, and now you get all uppity with your mod privileges because you got owned when I show you your own statements demonstrating it. Guess you should be more careful in what you wish for in the future, eh?

    And, I already gave you proof: the theory cannot explain humans existing ~50,000 years ago in australia when those humans do not share the mtDNA used as the focal point in the out of africa theory. The fossil record has always supported the multi-regional theory, not out of Africa model. The DNA data of out of africa model uses does not even confict with the mulltiregional theory, because we can't prove those DNA markers originated where the out of africa model assumes they did.
     
  23. Bells Staff Member

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    *Sigh*

    I would advise you to read the following article...

    http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/2007/1914503.htm

    Which discusses the following study:

    http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/104/21/8726?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=aboriginals&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

     

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