Israel seals off Gaza: UN warns of crisis

Discussion in 'World Events' started by S.A.M., Jan 19, 2008.

  1. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    You pulled out, yet you still hold them hostage, and when they elect a government you don't like or someone who won't bow to your demands, well, you impose collective punishment some more. People, don't you see ?
    You continue to build checkpoints and a Wall, that threatens the livelihood of thousands.
     
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  3. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    so where were you when hammas killed their own people and constructed checkpoints of their own? where was that dont you see people then?

    i even read they killed four women passing by in a car. nobody shouted about collective punishment then.

    truth is, you are willing to accept any form of violence portrayed by the palestinians.
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    This is collective punishment:

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    http://www.counterpunch.org/bronner09152004.html
     
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  7. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    Without electricity, since Israel has bombed all electric generators and controls fuel and electricity (not to mention food and medical aid), the internet would be pretty redundant.

    And blocking all access to schools would make the internet even more redundant.
     
  9. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    youre kidding me? they still have electricity, how do we know? because our government wanted o cut it off-you rembere that thread right?

    food and medical aid? you still argue that? after they use it for explosives? via our border???

    what you think were fucking stupid???

    hamas is preventing from people to leave, use armed forces in the street, and puts carfues. at least we give them jobs, which we dont have to.
     
  10. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    You want to compare body counts is that it ? Israel has a larger body count than HAMAS, If thats what your asking.

    I'm saying that violence is not preferable, but If you look at ways to try and stop violence, the answer is clearly there.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah electricity supplied by Israel and paid for by Palestinian taxes witheld by Israel. But all generators were destroyed by Israeli raids and Israel controls how much goes into Gaza, some is made up by Egypt when conditions are dire.
    He diedon the day they finally agreed, like others

    http://www.washington-report.org/archives/December_2007/0712015.html

    Combined with starvation, imprisonment and constant violence of an OCCUPIED people.
     
  12. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    now why is it is who always have to stop the violence, when violence is their stated goal? thats just illogical.
     
  13. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    grad rockets sounds like a nice payment to you im sure.

    yet they depend on us, and fire on us- a contradiction you have not addressed.
     
  14. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    Besides the Temple Mount? The same parts of Israel occupied by the Egyptians, the Jordanians, and the Syrians.
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    What is Israel's goal?
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    What happened to Darwin? Or do gas ovens belie your evolutionary standards?
     
  17. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    live in peace-a curse word in the ME where they execute gays, beat up women, and praise violence and hate.
     
  18. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    If you're referring to the fact Hamas went against its charter to organize ceasefires and negotiations, Again, It shows how eager for peace they are. In many (not all) cases, It has been Israel that broke cease fires.
     
  19. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    you mean the gas the mufti wanted to use on the jews in idsrael to prove hes loyalty to hitler?
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    And they demonstrate this by using the Bible to select their "national home", fomenting a vicious military occupation on the inhabitants of the land they occupy and demanding a Jewish majority state?

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  21. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    are you brain dead? its not against their charter, its a known tactic, make peace, get stronger, attack then. thats it. eager for peace....what a lmao..
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Since you have taken up where Hitler left off with your Jewish State to replace his Aryan state, its rather silly to whine, na?
     
  23. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Well S.A.M. Thats war, amd Hammas has been conducting war against Israel, ever since it was founded.

    Now lets look at what has Happened under Israeli Occupation:


    Under Israeli rule, the Palestinians also made vast progress in social welfare. Perhaps most significantly, mortality rates in the West Bank and Gaza fell by more than two-thirds between 1970 and 1990, while life expectancy rose from 48 years in 1967 to 72 in 2000 (compared with an average of 68 years for all the countries of the Middle East and North Africa). Israeli medical programs reduced the infant-mortality rate of 60 per 1,000 live births in 1968 to 15 per 1,000 in 2000 (in Iraq the rate is 64, in Egypt 40, in Jordan 23, in Syria 22). And under a systematic program of inoculation, childhood diseases like polio, whooping cough, tetanus, and measles were eradicated.

    No less remarkable were advances in the Palestinians' standard of living. By 1986, 92.8 percent of the population in the West Bank and Gaza had electricity around the clock, as compared to 20.5 percent in 1967; 85 percent had running water in dwellings, as compared to 16 percent in 1967; 83.5 percent had electric or gas ranges for cooking, as compared to 4 percent in 1967; and so on for refrigerators, televisions, and cars.
     

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