SpAM, the war in Sudan has nothing to do with the U.S. there isn't a U.S. soldier in sight. It a all U.N. and African show. The Clinton administration was pitty full on intellengence, and was looking for cover from the Lewinski scandal, and guess what even I don't agree with that one. But Sudan today is not about what the U.S. did its about what the Islamic Government did after the coup in 1989; Why Khartoum wants a war in Darfur Friday 30 July 2004 15:52. Printer-Friendly version Comments... http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article4330 Ali Ali-Dinar, The Parliamentary Brief July 2004 — Since the early 1970s, Darfur has been affected by waves of climatic changes which have forced some groups to migrate. Zaghawa moved from their homeland (Dar Zaghawa) to settle in the lands of the Fur, Arabs, Masalit, Birged, and as well as in many urban centres in Darfur and beyond. This gradual movement took place without reported incidents and without assistance from the government. The same could be said of the movement of nomadic Arabs looking for pastures for their livestock. Until recently, land ownership, and ethnic boundaries have been respected amicably by different ethnic groups in Darfur. Disputes were resolved in traditional conferences (ajaweed/muatamarat al sulh) whose rulings were always respected and honoured. Even at times when the government was involved it served as a facilitator and not as an enforcer. Government neutrality contained ethnic conflicts not only in Darfur but also in Kordofan and in the south. The 1980s brought a return to war in the south. Sudan’s then-government responded to military failure by arming Arab tribes bordering the south and with civil war in neighbouring Chad, small arms proliferated in Darfur. The National Islamic Front (NIF) government that came to power in the 1989 coup not only continued arming Arab tribes but imported an Arabist/Islamist philosophy that highlighted and widened ethnic divisions. Attacks on the African peoples of Darfur multiplied and government oppression increased. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are several reasons for the National Islamic Front Government of Sudan’s war in Darfur. It is partly explained by the nature of the regime which, since it came to power, has used widespread repression, emergency laws, forcible conscription, arbitrary dismissal from work, as well as a jihad against the south and the Nuba mountains to tighten its grip on power.
How much you wanna bet the $5 billion poured so far in Pakistan and the $750 million over the next five years alongwith military training of 400,000 tribals in Pakistan will lead to a escalation in war and conflict there? How about you try an experiment and use the same investment in military training and weapons at home. Start with the native Americans.
And yet again we have the 4 year old asking a question that he won't take a answer for, G.F. is old enough to already know the answer, yet he demands a answer, to what purpose? He doesn't like the answer that the U.S. is cleaning up the UXO, so he goes to a question only a idiot would ask. He doesn't like the answer that the U.S. is one of the few countries who takes the time to dispose of it's UXO, and any other UXO in the area, so he goes to a question only a idiot would ask. He doesn't like the answer that America is bringing thousands of injured children to America for treatment, and therapy, so he goes to a question only a idiot would ask. He doesn't like the answer that Japan would not have surrendered in August with out the Bombings, of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, proven by citation form the plans for Operation Ketsu Go, and historical fact, so he goes to a question that only a idiot would ask. Nothing but appeal to emotion, no facts, to show when Japan would have surrendered, or how many more lives it would have saved to follow his, 'after the fact plan', just stupid questions that he either knows the answer to already or won't accept the answer to because it isn't in agreement with his temper tantrum..
Who put them there in the first place? Only in response to a statement only an idiot would make. Who injured those children?
You keep trying to frame this stuff, rther than face the obvious: The US does not clean up all that it drops, and with stuff like cluster bomblets and depleted uranium dust and dioxin conatmination essentially can't. It's allies - the people it supplies with these weapons - do an even worse job. Israel hasn't even begun to clean up Lebanon - or even supply maps for those who would like to. So the question is why the US uses stuff and sells stuff and donates stuff that murders civilians on the spot and for years afterwards, and can't or won't be cleaned up ? And: Nobody knows whether Japan would have surrendered as soon as they knew about the bomb, regardless of its being dropped - which could have happened months before August. Nobody knows because it was not attempted, and in fact prevented deliberately. Hundreds of thousands of lives, including many American ones, could have - possibly - been saved. The war could have - possibly - ended in the spring. One of the worst and most famous atrocities of war ever committed might have been avoided. A precipitous nuclear arms race might have been reduced, made less dangerous. And even if it were not, had the US made the gesture it could have held its head high and dealt honestly with the facts at the moment of its greatest triumph, and never had to excuse and mumble and spread lies and cover up and weasel around the obvious facts. The integrity opportunity cost alone, of hiding the bomb until it could be dropped quickly on civilians, might rank almost with the loss of life, if its effects down the years are considered.
So according to Buffy, it was okay to blow up the twin towers, only they shoulda sent in a cleaning crew after. :crazy:
Tell that to the EOD guys, one reason we clean it up,is it make it safer for us, along with the civilian population, and deny terrorist explosives and ordnance to use against us. You just made my point.....you don't know, all you have is conjecture, and appeal to emotion. I have Magic and ULTRA intercepts that show that Japan wasn't ready to surrender, I have Historical Documentation of Operation Ketsy GO, the plan to defend the island of Kyushu, and use all of the population between 14 and 60 for males and 17 to 40 for women, lead by regular Military Officers, I historical documentation that the decision to surrender wasn't made until after the second bomb forced the Emperor to act, I have documentation to show that the Military tried a Coup, to keep the Emperor from delivering his decision, and I have documentation that show that Japan still hasn't surrendered to all of the Allies of WWII. You have conjecture, and appeal to emotion. Were do you see any cover up, there was no cover up, only in your mind was their a cover up, and there is still one last fact, Japan was working on a bomb of their own, all of the information was classified by the U.S, I have a freedom of Information Request in to try and get that information, and am waiting for the reply, there are still millions of documents concerning the War and the Japanese that are still classified. But there seem to be some indication that Japan may have had a working bomb, an just how long it would have taken them to make it operational is anybody guess, and it still is very poor strategy to let your enemy know what your plans are, the Japanese had already deduce enough to have properly identified the landing zones and Kyushu as the invasion point.
So you are saying Islam is at war with the U.S. And as usual it was the U.S. that sent in the clean up crew.
They trained the pilots too, as usual. And supplied the equipment as usual. Hijackers were from their allies, as usual. And they invaded other uninvolved citizens unrelated to the incident, as usual.:shrug: Buried all the evidence, as usual Hid all the suspects, as usual No results, as usual
Yes SpAM Islam defending the Faithful, Allahu Akbar, murder in the name of Allah, and Mohammad. Quite a mess to clean up, Allahu Akbar, children, women, men innocents for slaughter, as long as its in the name of Allah and the Prophet. Coach of local sports team shot dead in eastern MosulIBC Incident k7819 Type gunfire Deaths recorded 1 Targeted or hit Yousef Ibraheem, coach of local sports team Place eastern Mosul Date 21 October 2007 Sources McCla 21 Oct WP 02 Nov (MoH) Individuals for whom personal or identifying details were reported IBC page Identifying details (number if more than one) Age Sex k7819-hu901 Yousef Ibraheem Adult Male Body found tortured and shot in MahaweelIBC Incident k7864 Type gunfire, executed, tortured Deaths recorded 1 Targeted or hit body found tortured and shot Place Mahaweel Date 24 October 2007 Sources REU 24 Oct XIN 25 Oct Neither personal nor demographic information was reported 15 bodies, mostly of female students, found in al-Ehaimer. near BaqubaIBC Incident k8253 Type - Deaths recorded 15 Targeted or hit bodies found, 'mainly of female students' Place al-Ehaimer, northeast of Baquba Date 27 October 2007 Sources WP 29 Oct WP 07 Nov (MoH) Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported Number killed Occupation Age Sex 8 Student Unrecorded Female Only demographic information, without any identifying details, was available for 8 people Woman passerby by suicide bomber in MuqdadiyaIBC Incident k7880 Type suicide bomber Deaths recorded 1 Targeted or hit offices of Sahwa (Awakening) Organisation Place Al-Aoroub, Muqdadiya Date 26 October 2007 Sources REU 26 Oct VOI 26 Oct Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported Number killed Occupation Age Sex 1 Unrecorded Adult Female Only demographic information, without any identifying details, was available for the person recorded killed. Body of kidnapped 17-yr-old found in Al-Mithaq. MosulIBC Incident k7901 Type - Deaths recorded 1 Targeted or hit 17-yr-old young man kidnapped and found dead Place Al-Mithaq, Mosul Date 25 October 2007 - 27 October 2007 Sources MO 27 Oct WP 02 Nov (MoH) Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported Number killed Occupation Age Sex 1 Unrecorded 17 Male Only demographic information, without any identifying details, was available for the person recorded killed. 15-25 bodies found shot, some decapitated, in Nadhum, near Lake ThartharIBC Incident k7823 Type gunfire, executed, some beheaded Deaths recorded 15-25 Targeted or hit bodies found shot dead, some decapitated Place Nadhum, near Lake Tharthar Date 22 October 2007 Sources REU 23 Oct LAT 24 Oct NYT 23 Oct AP 22 Oct Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported Number killed Occupation Age Sex 15 Unrecorded Adult Male Only demographic information, without any identifying details, was available for 15 people recorded killed. Neither personal nor demographic information was reported for up to another 10 people killed in this IBC entry
I suspect none of this^^^ would have happened if the US had not invaded Iraq. Can you prove they were not murdered or slaughtered by US troops? Sounds just like what your buddies did in Vietnam
Beautiful Buffalo. Just beautiful. Way to force her to look in the mirror. To remove the log from her own eye before pointing out the mote in her neighbors.
Supplying 50% of the worlds arms, having the largest stockpile and using cluster bombs against civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan while opposing their ban is a mote? And India having cluster bombs is a log? :roflmao:
SpAM, I know of that incident, and the N.Koreans mixed in with the refugees, and they were trying to inflitrate U.S. lines.
Are you really really sure? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! U.S. military officers overseeing South Korean executions of civilians "suspected of collaborating" with the "communists," near Taegu, South Korea, April 1951. Photo taken by U.S. Korean Military Advisory Group (KMAG) and reproduced from U.S. National Archives.
