Piss Testing for Meth

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  1. Orleander

    Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    coffee ruined your life.:bugeye:
    o-kee-do-kee then
     
    Orleander, Jan 7, 2008
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  3. Fraggle Rocker

    Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Not coffee. Cola and tea. I can't stand the taste of coffee. Two ounces of Diet-Rite in a measuring cup on Saturday morning will keep me bouncing off the ceiling for an entire weekend. And when I was younger I used to drink three or four cans a day.
     
    Fraggle Rocker, Jan 10, 2008
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  5. visceral_instinct

    visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    I just had 3 cups of coffee in a row, hehe

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    visceral_instinct, Jan 10, 2008
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  7. Orleander

    Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    how did it ruin your life?
     
    Orleander, Jan 11, 2008
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  8. Dr Mabuse

    Dr Mabuse Percipient Thaumaturgist Registered Senior Member

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    that is not in any way accurate... telling the difference between surface or contact contamination - eg - i'm standing in a room full of weed smokers for an hour... versus drugs consumed... is easily done with a hair sample...

    urine based testing is responsible for both false negatives, and false positives, a LOT of them... more than any form of testing and this is well known fact...

    simply consuming quantities of water will false negative a urine screen... masking agents or diuretics... it's painfully easy to get a false negative...

    the list of ingredients proven to be the source of false positives in urine testing is very long... and has been proven in court...

    corporations have never been using hair testing in any majority because it goes back 90 -120 days... catching too many casual drug users hurts the bottom line...

    urine testing catches stupid casual users,and not all of them...mostly casual weed smoker because it is fat soluble and stays in residual amounts longer than the 24-48 hours of most illegal drugs... besides mostly casual weed smokers, it catches only the most completely out of control addicts in late stages of addiction, and btw... that type of person will usually not be hired, or if it the decent into addiction happens while employed, they will be fired due to job performance in almost all cases...

    and if you simply have a rock and roll doctor?... you can get a prescription and pop 'legal' pills to high heaven... and it's all good... or just become a hard core functioning alcoholic (most alcoholics are high functioning) and you have no worries, and you are the most deadly addict to those around you in the world...

    "i don't want to work with addicts" lol...

    like i said it's a sham... for a Slogan on company documents, or part of a 'Company Mission Statement'...

    if you will... imagine trying to explain to George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, etc. that they need to go piss in a cup, sometimes in front of someone watching you, to have the privilege of a job...

    if you have any real knowledge of history you get my point... knowledge of history does enlighten mankind and bring things into context...

    "drug testing' is a sham... a token effort... and a raping of personal liberty that around a million men have died to give us...

    most people are too conditioned to even be aware of it, or think of in that context... if nothing else Stalin, and Hitler, and Mao, etc... the large scale social architects of history teach us that most people, almost all people, are painfully easy to condition, and then lead around by the nose... all the while those very people think they made a decision to do what they are doing and will often defend it... so they accept, and rationalize, and explain away things...

    i have gone through more scrutiny than anyone employed at a company, as some of the work i do requires clearances... so no i'm not someone who uses drugs defending that practice...

    i'm just able to see something for what it is, even through the haze of social condition and herd mentality...
     
    Dr Mabuse, Jan 11, 2008
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  9. flameofanor5

    flameofanor5 Not a cosmic killjoy Registered Senior Member

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    This is interesting
     
    flameofanor5, Jan 11, 2008
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  10. RonaldJaison

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    Great
     
    RonaldJaison, Jan 21, 2008
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  11. Fraggle Rocker

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    Where do you want me to start? I've probably told this story on SciForums two or three times over the years.

    I was addicted to tea coming out of college. I had only begun to understand that caffeine is a drug during my college years and the idea that it could be addictive was slow in taking root. In college you're always tired and you never get enough sleep so the correlation between those conditions and the effects of caffeine had to wait until I had graduated and settled into a more normal daily routine. Not to mention even though you're in college you're really stupid in a lot of ways and you just don't think about the simple routines of daily life.

    By the time this all dawned on me my daily routine was to drag myself out of bed with less than zero mental and physical energy and in a really vile mood. A couple of cups of tea would open my eyes just wide enough and restore just enough IQ points that I could get dressed and find my way to work. They had just invented diet cola so I drank it all day. By bedtime I was exhausted but wired so I couldn't sink into a refreshing sleep, just toss and turn and often lie awake. Next morning I'd get up feeling worse than the previous morning and start the cycle over. Eventually I reached an equilibrium where I was always tired, always cranky, and always unable to sleep.

    If I tried to break the cycle and go without caffeine on a weekend, vacation, or just take sick time, the withdrawal symptoms were so bad that I couldn't stand it. Muscle pain so bad that I would rather be dead. Angry, irrational, almost violent behavior so bad that the people around me would rather have had me dead too. Eventually my wife got tired of the abuse, the alienation of our few friends and my sabotaging of our lives with irrational behavior concerning everything from money to how to spend a weekend, and found somebody nicer.

    I settled for a government job because they had no standards for behavior and very lenient standards for performance. The teenager who had been hailed as the smartest kid in my state was a dysfunctional adult hiding out at the bottom of the system.

    Years later when I got to the point that I could dry out and get past the withdrawal symptoms, I had to deal with the other side of drug use, which is that it makes you feel good. Nothing perks up a slow day or a depressing day like a nip of caffeine. Nothing gives you that little extra mental or physical energy for a home improvement project, a long assignment at work or three hours on stage with your band, like caffeine.

    That's enough details for now. I've been in and out of caffeine addiction throughout my life. I've made horrible decisions and even blown off jobs while zonked out on caffeine. Forty years later I have it under some semblance of control, but it still gets away from me every now and then. It's only been a few years since the last time I sabotaged a job with intemperate, caffeine-fueled behavior. I just had the old muscle-pain withdrawal symptoms last week and spent two days in a fog, listening to the tea, cola and chocolate calling out to me, "Oh come on Fraggle, just a little bit won't hurt and you'll feel so much better so quickly."
     
    Fraggle Rocker, Jan 24, 2008
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  12. MikeHoncho

    MikeHoncho Banned Banned

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    I spent three years on meth. daily. literally.
    I'm off it now for about three years and in no danger of ever lapsing cuz its such a shit wrap.
    Anywho, I couldn't come up with a sob story like that waa waa above if there weren't a writers strike.
    Fraggle, maybe noone likes you and you need a behaviourally lenient job because yer an asshole. IDK just a thought. I mean coffee? please. Shoots some ice for a month or two and tell me how yer doin then.

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    To answer post #1.
    Meth is its own chemical that is created through a series of chemical process combining and refining "common" chemicals. The pure meth is seperated from the rest, filtered, placed in distilled water which is boiled away to leave a crystalline residue. Thats what they test for and they can find even trace amounts. better wait 72 hours + before u piss
     
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    MikeHoncho, Jan 29, 2008
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  13. Orleander

    Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    thanks for the info Mike.
    I thought maybe they tested for drain cleaner or something.
     
    Orleander, Jan 29, 2008
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  14. nietzschefan

    nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Wow, I've worked for a few corporations and one government, never had to take a piss test. So much for land of the free....
     
    nietzschefan, Jan 29, 2008
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  15. 2inquisitive

    2inquisitive The Devil is in the details Registered Senior Member

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    I've also worked at several jobs including 30 years for the US Federal Government. I've also never had to take a piss test. That doesn't mean drug testing is not done for some sensitive jobs in both the US and Canada. Canadian example:
    http://mb.jobfutures.org/profiles/profile.cfm?lang=en&noc=2272&site=graphic
     
    2inquisitive, Jan 30, 2008
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