Interstellar and intergalactic travel

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you appear to have a time frame?


you know what , discount the question
aint interested
lemme look at your prior posts

 

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You lost me somewhere?

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to cosmic traveler:
people don't like nuclair energy in space yust look at the newsreport when cassini made it's earth fly by with it's 10 kg or so plutonium

 

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Scientists don't like saying things that can't be done either. Orion is not what most scientists envision as a good way to travel. Orion just isn't a good idea to many people not because it is nuclear but because it won't work.

 

There is no reason to go to Alpha Centairi as far as we know....no planetary system. Also, re the time to travel there....it takes as much energy to slow down a craft as accelerate. A craft needs to take energy to slow itself but that energy has mass in the form of storage (nuclear devices). But then you need MORE fuel to accelerate the increased weight and, then of course, MORE stored energy to slow it down. It becomes an impossible amount of energy just to accelerate and slow an object of more than a few grams..every extra gram exponentially increases energy needs as does every incremental increase in speed.

bottom line: We ain't going anywhere soon.

 

We can IF scientists can make a usable wormhole. Like in the movie "Stargate". They are trying to do so now with many experiments into the particle physics world. People must stop thinking about the "old" ways to travel and become aware of other possibilities and methods of space travel. Once humans evolve past solid fuels to move through space with then they can start to realize that there's faster and easier ways to do so.

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You could just send through a remotely controlled Stargate to wherever you want then it could automatically turn itself on to accept travelers through it wherever it is.

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KmGuru: That looks like a safe bet. How do I collect if you are wrong?

I do not figure to live more than 20 years (if that long), and I am sure you will not last another 180.

What makes people think that dolphins are so smart? Analyze the history of the only intelligent species that we know about. It looks to me like you need a hand (or similar apendage) with at least one opposing thumb (probably not more than two) and 2-6 fingers.

The ability to pick up and use a tree limb or a rock is the precursor to developing the intellignence to improve on a naturally occurring item and then go on to actually designing & making a tool.

Intelligence does not sudenly occur due to magic. It is a slow evolutionary process starting with a hand-like appendage.

 

kmguru. I think the structure of space itself prevents anything moving faster than light speed. If you could somehow circumvent space, as in hyperspace, you would still need a drive capable of propelling you somehow at FTL speeds. I have said elsewhere why wormholes will not work.

I think this is like asking someone 200 years ago how we could journey from Britain to America in 5 hours. Such a person would not have a clue about Concorde so would imagine some sort of huge clipper with lots of sails on. I think we are in that position at present where we literally have no idea how FTL travel will be accomplished.

 

100% agree.

 

orcot. Quantum Entanglement involves imparting spins to two particles so that they "effectively equal one" so that if you read one spin, you can then know the other spin. It has a use in hiding data and such but not in travel.

 

There was whining in the early sixties about polluting space with radiation

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but I think what serious people were worried about was the real danger of such a craft failing to reach and leave Earth orbit and falling back onto a populated area, spraying radioactive material far and wide.

I don't think Orion is going to get us to the stars but it may prove viable for it's original intention when it was said it could get a few dozen men and a thousand tons of supplies to Mars within a month. Possibly some improved form of ion propulsion will do, but it will still be a very long voyage as such ships take years to reach a good speed before a ramjet then takes over and builds up some real speed.

 

If wormholes exist, you are talking the energy/gravitation of a black hole to make something which may work for just a few miles. A wormhole which would bend space for light years is whole galaxies worth of energy/gravity.

 

shall we call that kmguru alloy

You mean somewhere from earth itself? No intiligent life can evolve in such a short time and we do not need a 180 years to make one with genetic manipulation or cloning extinct ones back.
I believe anything in the homo class will be recreated in under a 100 years from now gowing from homo habilis, erectus, neanderthals and some of the ones in between. All of them will be far smarther then all life on earth except humans and some of them might be worth being called truly intiligent.

Power sortage your probe could never send it's data back to earth. And in it's 100 year voyage space telescopes would be developed that are far better and have the obvious advantage that they can study stars for several years in stead of weeks/months like with a stellar flyby.

True but did I say something abouth travel? If you read the post it yust says that certain quantm effects can be increased to a bigger size under certain conditions.