Expanding space?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by kaneda, Nov 7, 2007.

  1. shalayka Cows are special too. Registered Senior Member

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    The one cooked in the microwave tastes like crap. Seriously, do not cook a roast in the microwave. That's nasty.
     
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  3. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, and not only that, it will be grey and unappetizing-looking. Yuck! Unless it has a built-in electrical heating element to brown it.
     
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  5. losfomoT Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    If the planet is rotating, you should be able to detect a coriolis force somehow (I'm not sure what device you might use).


    To be honest, I think he understands perfectly. He just won't admit it, and he likes to argue.
     
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  7. losfomoT Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    :thumbsup: Good on you. I should have covered my ass better...I realized that after I posted... yes there are ways to tell if you that you are probably on a planet... but the fact that you have to resort to measuring something unrelated to the acceleration just goes to show you anyway.
     
  8. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Neither would likely help him. A planet with only 0.1g is not likely to have an atmosphere (there goes his cloud chamber) nor a magnetic core (there goes his compass).
     
  9. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Ok,

    A non-gravitational acceleration will produce a uniform force across the box, whereas a gravitational acceleration due to a spherical planet will produce a force that deviates from normal (vertical) everywhere but the centerline of the box. It might take an extremely sensitive plum-bob to measure it, but it's there.

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    So I ran the numbers and if your box was a 10m cube then, on the earth, the deflection from vertical over a 10m plum-bob at 5m off the center line would be about 8um. I think a laser measuring device could do this.
     
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  10. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    I really wish there was a simple sketch feature in this forum.
     
  11. losfomoT Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, but my praise was in response to his response to my question which specifically mentioned the Earth.

    I am trying to set an example, whereby if one of us admits he is right once in a while, maybe it will rub off on him.
     
  12. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    I've done that a couple of times with him. He has some kind of force field or something...
     
  13. 2inquisitive The Devil is in the details Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, you are correct of course, super. I would think another way to differentiate between uniform acceleration and normal gravitational acceleration is by using a large box, say one several hundred kilometers square. The force measured in an accelerating box will be identical everywhere within the box and the plumb-bob lines will all be vertical, whereas within such a large box sitting on the Earth, one would measure a difference in gravitational potential between the top and bottom of the box, as well as plum-bobs that are seen to converge from the sides.
     
  14. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Right you are.
     
  15. losfomoT Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    And in that spirit, I should mention that he already pointed out your answer to the problem as well (...I think that's what he meant, anyway):

     
  16. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    No... I read that and that's not what I took it to mean at all.

    On any scale all of the earth attracts us. What else could this mean?

    And by implication, what???

    I really can't understand this.
     
  17. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, yes - thank you.

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    I had thought of something quite similar but since the conditions, as stated, involved a 10-meter box and and 0.1g (I think), the deviation would be so small I was guessing it would be undetectable.
     
  18. kaneda Actual Cynic Registered Senior Member

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    I have never used one but I am told that browning dishes work very well.
     
  19. kaneda Actual Cynic Registered Senior Member

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    Of course I like to argue. Questioning anything is the best way to learn. The air you are breathing would also tell you if you were in a rocket ship since it would not contain the casual impurities Earth's astmosphere does.
     
  20. kaneda Actual Cynic Registered Senior Member

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    Our Moon has a G force about 0.16G so not a planet if it only has 0.1G. I would think around 0.25G would be the minimum for what we would recognise as a planet?
     
  21. kaneda Actual Cynic Registered Senior Member

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    You could try scanning one into your computer, putting it on photobucket (or similar) and so putting the image here.
     
  22. kaneda Actual Cynic Registered Senior Member

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    I've never understood why the effort to try and prove someone wrong rather than just posting what you believe/know to be right. Of course gravity in a room on Earth would be mimicked by being in a spaceship accelerating at 1G, the same as infra-red and microwaves while different can heat something up.
     
  23. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Uh huh.
     

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