Grebennikov Bio-gravitics anti-gravity discovery

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  1. mrgalleria Registered Member

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    Aloha,
    I think Grebennikov is a very credible individual with his discovery of cavity structure effect. I think he accomplished what he said. Why would a credable scientist fabricate a story that could devastate a career that took a lifetime to aquire?
    I have twice seen a beetle here in Hawaii disappear and reappear in another place in a manner otherwise I cannot explain. This is a black beetle very common here that is seen usually at night, around lights. It has a single pointed horn on it's forehead and get's about 3/4" long. You may have this in your area. Upon study of the wing chitin understructure under a microscope, I found a pattern identical to the pattern of the single photo of the underside of the Grebennikov platform.
    Also, I think Milkovich clearly proved that gravity is ELECTRICITY. That having been said, anti-gravity is mearly a product of understanding the nature of electro-gravity and countering it's affect. That will definitly be some interesting research!
    Bill
     
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  3. mrgalleria Registered Member

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    Aloha,
    I will tell you about the first time the beetle disappeared and reappeared. It was at night, and a beetle came flying in the open window into a room where I was working. As I had read of Grebennikov, I decided to observe this insect, forcing myself to not even blink in the event something happened. Because it was quiet, the sound of the beetles flight was comparable to several bees in volume. The beetle buzzed around the room in a very haphazzard fashion, flying very slowly according to it's ability. Then it bumped into the post supporting the floodlight in the room. It disappeared. Then I saw it on the ground a distance of 7' from where it disappeared. If I had not known about Grebennikov, I would have rationalized it away in my mind. But without a sound, it moved 7' at a speed it was not capable of traveling. I am convinced.
    Bill
     
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  5. mrgalleria Registered Member

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    Aloha,
    It is said the platform had a small battery and switch. I have an idea what this is for. Upon the study of the wing chitin mentioned before, I observed two "veins" on the inside. One was red, and ran around the perimeter of the wing. It was very squiggly, in an irregular pattern. If you were to compare it to a wire, then it may be double to triple the length of the perimeter of the wing, because of the zig-zag of the vein. Running along the length of the wing were orange veins which were straight and ran along every second groove in the wing. The grooves or sections had the simple pattern found on the bottom of Grebennikov's platform. I think these veins contain a conductive material which is activated by a slight current from a nerve. Someone else mentioned the conductivity of the fluid in the wing. This arraingment makes some sort of coil, I believe.
    Bill
     
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  7. draqon Banned Banned

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    Grebbenikov is bias, his work is bias, and all of it is just a focus.
     
  8. mrgalleria Registered Member

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    Aloha,
    bias- a prejudice in a general or specific sense.
    focus- the ability to concentrate on a subject or issue.
    dragon- a mythical creature.
    Sure hope this helps.
    Bill
     
  9. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    You have entered a realm where proof is required when statements are made.

    While it is strongly expected that eventually all the basic forces will be found and proven to be related by the much-awaited GUT (Grand Unification Theory) there has been nothing to date that links gravity to ANY of them - let alone electricity! Please provide substantiation that Milkovitch - or anyone else - for that matter, has done such.
     
  10. mrgalleria Registered Member

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    Aloha,
    Thank you for your request.
    I have to admit, I had to watch the Milkovich video 10-20 times before I got it. You may notice near the end where a certificate is presented which recognizes Milkovich for his simple and elegant device which demonstrates alternating current.
    When the pendulum reaches the end of it's swing, regardless of the weight of the pendulum, it momentarily seems to become weightless. It is not weightless, as we know, so what happens to the gravity-weight effect? It is transferred to another point. That is an electrical action-reaction.
    Normally, we experience gravity in the form of direct current.
    You could say that this momentary weightlessness is the result of enertia and mass, and this is true. But the base effect is electrical. And the fact that the mass-enertia-gravity energy is transferred to another point also can only be explained by an electrical effect. It is not a mechanical effect.
    Another example is a swing. While swinging, you experience a brief weightless sensation at the end of travel, and simultaniously a leg of the swing set may even lift off of the ground. If you are weightless, how does the leg of the swing (held in it's realitive position by substancial weight) lift?
    Momentarily, while you seem weightless, the electrical effect of gravity on your body has been electrically transferred to another point, and then returns.
    Simple enough a child can understand, yet probably a true challenge for someone highly educated in cross-understanding.
    Bill
     
  11. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you for the reply but honestly, it's nothing but pseudo-scientific techno-babble. In other words, there's no real science at all in any of it .

    And pardon me, but your prose certainly in no way serves as any kind of proof. Kindly supply links to to some respected scientific sources that agree with what you are saying. Presenting it in the fashion you just did is nothing more than hearsay at best.
     
  12. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Do you mean Milkovic?

    And he clearly didn't prove gravity was electricity, because if it was, all we'd have to do to create anti-gravity would be to prevent the particle exchange involved, ie, sit on something non-conductive and we'd float away. Well, I don't see blocks of non-conducting concrete floating freely around.
     
  13. mrgalleria Registered Member

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    Aloha,
    "anti-gravity is mearly a product of understanding the nature of electro-gravity and countering it's affect."

    Sorry if you don't understand. Do you also deny that light is electrical? I did not think I would need to explain the fact that there are many types of electricity, some barely understood (like cold electricity), others realitively unknown. Your own testimony confirms that.
    This is a science forum, isn't it?
    (Yes- Milkovic, thank you.)
    Bill
     
  14. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Just more pure nonsense - and still NO sources of proof. Quite frankly, you aren't going to be able to find any plausible ones.
     
  15. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Er, well, no.

    Bub, I studied Physics at University. While that is merely entering the world of real science, no real scientist I have ever met (and I worked with some PhD's doing cutting edge research) agrees that gravity is 'electro gravity'.

    Yes I do deny that. Light is an electro-magnetic wave. It is not made of electrons.

    There is electrical current (moving electrons) and static electricity (stationary electrons). That's hardly many.

    cut out the pseudo science please.

    Say what?

    Yes, but you should have posted this in the Pseudoscience section.

    Science is about attention to detail. You get the detail wrong, well, the rest just falls apart.
     
  16. mrgalleria Registered Member

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    Aloha,

    Thanks for your attention to my reply phlogistician. It was good of you to respond item by item. But you are also guilty of leaving out scientific validation to your reply.

    You believe cold electricity is "psuedo-science"? I think that the people who have experienced it would not be surprised by your opinion. But is your opinion fact- that is the important question? Can you prove electrical energies like cold electricity do not exist? Or is it easier to sit there and say "my teachers at the University know everything, and they taught me everything too"?

    Electricity in light is another type of electricity that science has not been able to measure. But there is substancial physical evidence that it is present, aside of electrical conversion with photo cells. You may want to research how plants have been grown normally in total darkness using a very simple method of using the electricity in light, another type of electricity not net understood.

    You said "sit on something non-conductive and we'd float away" in reference to gravity being a form of electricity. If, you happened to be sitting with a group of intellectuals, say 2000 years ago, and they were discussing the nature of water, and you stated that water was a combination of two gases- hydrogen and oxygen, well you can be certain that not only them but just about everyone on the planet would be convinced that you were mad.
    Now if I told you that it is electricity that binds the hydrogen and oxygen in water, are you going to run out and throw an electric motor in, expecting it to run? Or will you be afraid to go in the water, for fear of electrocution? You can use electricity to separate hydrogen and oxygen, and electricity to reform it. The point should be obvious, even though there is massive amounts of electricity in water (and most other things), it is of a different nature.

    It looks like you all believe that little understood natures like gravity will never be understood by the masses, the peasants. You seem to be convinced that only a handfull of the most supremely intelligent intellectuals will be capable of mentally grasping the true nature of things. Then they can attempt to tell us the way things are, according to their interpretation of how much they think we can understand.
    I have engineered a simple and effiecient device that makes hydrogen and nitrogen gases for boosting internal combustion engines using nickel and copper alloy, urine, and engine heat. See oupower.com, mrgalleria's project pages. I also am involved in other energy research which is privately funded. As a result, I cannot base my research on people's opinion or what some professor or book may think is true at the moment.
    Bill
     
  17. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    You made the claim, now you provide the proof.
    That's how science works. Everything else is just pseudoscientific garbage and mouthwash, just like the post above.

    Present no proof and your posts will quickly be moved to the pseudosci subforum,
    which is what I'm suggesting for the mod of this subforum to do.
     
  18. kmguru Staff Member

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    Just like one can produce magnetic force using electrons, perhaps one can negate gravity field using hypercharge. There is a research being conducted by a team of scientists under contract from the Navy...the result looks promising but not there yet.

    Before the discovery of electricity, people thought that the mass of earth also produces magnetism i.e. more magnetic materials, more magnetic strength. Perhaps all primary forces are interchangeable. Time will tell.
     
  19. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    What's a primary force?
     
  20. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    "Interchangeable" is not the correct word - "interrelated" is.
     
  21. kmguru Staff Member

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    Gravity
    Magnetism
    Strong nuclear force
    Weak nuclear force
     
  22. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, you meant fundamental forces!
    p.s. I believe the second one is electromagnetism.
     
  23. kmguru Staff Member

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    Oops...and yes - the combined effect of electrical and magnetic forces. Why the two are combined to make it one and yet called fundamental force, I do not know! Can magnetism exist without electrical properties?
     
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