If you could kill one man... In history..

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  1. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    If by some quirk of quantum mechanics.. you could kill one man.. Just one person ANYWHERE in History.. Who would it be and why ? .
     
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  3. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Instead of killing them why not just change their minds about whatever it was they were planing to do. Killing doesn't always bring about change, sometimes it brings more problems. That's why you can't change history, because you'll create a new outcome that could be twice as bad.
     
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  7. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Ok, assuming you can't change their minds without compromising yourself..
     
  8. John99 Banned Banned

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    oh god, i would hate to have to kill someone. i guess it would be hitler.
     
  9. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    Einstein tried that in Command & Conquer. And we all know how that ended.
     
  10. John99 Banned Banned

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    not the first one, i stopped playing after the first one.
     
  11. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    That ended rather badly.... Poor Yuri..
     
  12. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Krishna - nip the whole messiah bullshit right in the bud.
     
  13. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    yeah, I would kill Pol Pot of Cambodia.
     
  14. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Joseph Stalin


    Collectivization had its most cataclysmic effects in Ukraine, where, in 1932-1933, Stalin turned famine into a tool of genocide. Identifying the Ukrainian peasantry as an enemy of the revolution, he sent the Red Army to Ukraine to confiscate the peasants' land and intentionally created a famine throughout the ethnic-Ukrainian region of northern Caucasus and the lower Volga River. This resulted in the deaths of an estimated 10 million people, or as many people as died on all sides in World War I. Stalin's purpose in engineering this calamity was to break the resistance of Ukrainian farmers and peasants to the confiscation of their property and force them to accept socialism. The method used was to drastically increase the grain procurement quota for Ukraine and stipulate that Ukrainian peasants could keep no grain at all for themselves until their quotas had been met. In regions where the land was more fertile, the state demanded an even larger share of the harvests. Unable to meet the huge quotas, peasants desperately tried to hide some of their grain in order to feed themselves and their families. But Communist Party officials, soldiers, and secret police units were mobilized to locate perpetrators of such deceit and take away all their stashed grain reserves. Thus Stalin's henchmen collected, stored, and guarded every ounce of Ukrainian grain while millions of Ukrainians starved to death around them.

    Under the campaign "to bring socialism to the countryside," the more the people suffered, the more laws were created to limit their options for finding relief, thereby sealing their lamentable fates. In August 1932, for instance, the "ear law" went into effect - mandating execution or ten years in a labor camp as punishment for any "theft or damage of socialist property." Into this category fell a host of transgressions, including acts so minor as stealing a few ears of corn - hence the law's name. Between August 1932 and December 1933, some 125,000 people were sentenced under this law; approximately 5,400 of them were executed.[9]

    None of these draconian measures resulted in an adequate grain harvest. As of mid-October 1932, the chief grain-producing areas of the country had produced less than one-fifth of the target amount stipulated by the government. In characteristic fashion, Stalin blamed the "enemies of the people" rather than his own bankrupt socialist plan. In November of that year, the Party district secretaries for the Northern Caucasus region adopted a joint resolution that read: "Following the particularly shameful failure of the grain collection plan, all local Party organizations are to be obliged to break up the sabotage networks of kulaks and counterrevolutionaries, and to crush the resistance of the rural Communists and kolkhoz [collective farm] presidents who have taken the lead in this sabotage."

    In those districts which the government targeted as nests of resistance, all trade was banned; all products were removed from store shelves; immediate repayment required on all government loans; taxes were raised to extraordinarily high levels; and there were mass arrests of "saboteurs," "foreign elements," and "counterrevolutionaries." Local Party administrations were purged, and workers and managers accused of "minimizing production" were arrested en masse. The prisons were, in the words of one eyewitness, "full to the bursting point," often holding five times as many people as they were designed to accommodate.

    Another punishment of choice in locales where widespread sabotage was suspected was mass deportation of the population to slave labor camps. December 1932 marked the beginning of mass deportations of entire villages. Records show that in 1932, some 71,236 "specially displaced" deportees were sent to such camps. The next year, this number climbed to 268,091.[10]

    The paranoid nature of the Stalin regime, which saw "class enemies" sabotaging it at every turn, is reflected in the following report penned in the early 1930s by the Italian consul in Novorrossiisk: "The enemy is everywhere and must be fought on innumerable fronts in tiny operations: here a field needs hoeing, there a few hundredweight of corn are stashed; a tractor is broken here, another sabotaged there; a third has gone astray. . . . A depot has been raided, the books have been cooked, the directors of the kolkhozy, through incompetence or dishonesty, never tell the truth about the harvest . . . and so on, infinitely, everywhere in this enormous country. . . . The enemy is in every house, in village after village."

    In November 1932 the Politburo ordered all collective farms that had fallen short of their government-mandated production quotas raided and emptied of every last ounce of grain they contained. When farmers told the inspectors that they were not hiding any grain from the government, they were often tortured until they confessed. Among the common methods of torture were the following: (a) the workers were stripped bare and exposed to freezing temperatures; sometimes they were stretched out and scalded on white-hot stoves before being placed in the cold; (b) the workers' feet and clothes were doused with gasoline and set ablaze; the flames were then snuffed out and this procedure was repeated until they revealed where their hidden grain was stored; (c) the workers were lined up against a wall for simulated executions.

    Forced by such brutal measures to hand over to the government their meager grain reserves, millions of destitute peasants from the rich agricultural regions of Russia headed for the cities, as noted earlier. But Stalin eventually took steps to combat, as he put it, "kulak infiltration of the towns," and to "liquidate social parasitism." In December 1932, he and Soviet Prime Minister Vyacheslav Molotov signed an order banning "by all means necessary . . . the large-scale departure of peasants from Ukraine and the northern Caucusus for the towns." They announced that every citizen would thenceforth have to register and carry, at all times, newly assigned identity papers. To justify these measures, the December order read: "The Central Committee and the government are in possession of definite proof that this massive exodus of the peasants has been organized by the enemies of the Soviet regime, by counterrevolutionaries, and by Polish agents as a propaganda coup against the process of collectivization in particular and the Soviet government in general." Stalin also suspended the sale of railway tickets in regions affected by the famine. His aim was to trap people inside the hunger zones, with no chance of escape, and let them slowly starve to death.

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  15. desi Valued Senior Member

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    If you're going to go after Stalin wouldn't it make more sense to go after the writer of the communist manifesto?

    I'd kill Osama Bin Laden to see where Bush leads us without our dreaded adversary.

    If it had to be an older guy from another time I'd kill Julius Caesar a moment before he crossed the Rubicon.
     
  16. draqon Banned Banned

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    myself?
     
  17. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Well, thats setting a paradox..
     
  18. draqon Banned Banned

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    a paradox is all I need to escape the need to kill someone

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    ... can't kill myself cause than who will be killing me but my un-existing self? thus its impossible...thus I avoid need to kill anyone.

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  19. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    How about Hassan al-Banna? The founder of Ikhwan al-Muslimun (The Muslim Brotherhood). He's one of the founding fathers of the Islamist movement that lead to our present problems with Islamic extremism.
     
  20. draqon Banned Banned

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    look...if you were a muslim you would not want his death. He is just a puppet image of western media to shadow the actions of US/NATO companies/armies. And further than that...believe me there are much more more devilish people out there...in the future.
     
  21. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Columbus
     
  22. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    The person who's 24th on the 24th page in the phone book perhaps?
    The fun thing abouth history that pretty much anyone in it is already death and all are certain to die, why bother?
     
  23. lucifers angel same shit, differant day!! Registered Senior Member

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    winston Churchill!

    why.....because he was a traitor to the people of britain
     
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