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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You'll have to take up with the originators of this method in modern times, who are also training the al-Qaeda, namely the nonreligious LTTE, with more than 200 suicide bombings since 1970 and a full cadre of 400 plus suicide bombers ready for action at any time. They are, not surprisingly, also fighting for statehood.
     
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  3. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Are they operating in Iran?

    Anyway, I thought al Qaeda didn't use suicide attacks.

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    Why send your own when you can send others?

    And it wasn't devloped by the Irainians during the Iran-Iraq war, It was perfected by factions of the Lebanese Civil War.

    Although use of suicide attacks has occurred throughout history — with Samson's suicidal destruction of a Philistine temple (as recounted in the Book of Judges), the legendary Swiss hero Arnold von Winkelried, and the Japanese kamikaze pilots of World War II — its main notoriety as a specific kind of attack has been in recent years following the success of a 1983 truck bombing of two barracks buildings in Beirut that killed 300 and helped drive American and French Multinational Force troops from Lebanon.

    The first modern suicide bombing — involving explosives deliberately carried to the target either on the person or in a civilian vehicle and delivered by surprise—was in 1981. It was perfected by factions of the Lebanese Civil War; spread to insurgents groups like the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka, Palestinian groups, Al-Qaeda, and by 2005 to dozens of countries where a weaker power is fighting a stronger one. Particularly hard-hit have been military and civilian targets in Sri Lanka during Sri Lankan Civil War, Israeli targets in Israel since 1994, and Iraqis since the US-led invasion of that country in 2003. From 1980 to 2003, suicide attacks amounted to only 3% of all terrorist attacks but accounted for 48% of total deaths due to terrorism - this excluding 9/11 attacks. [1]

    perceived religious rewards in the hereafter are instrumental in encouraging some, especially Muslims, to commit suicide attacks
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I recommend to you Robert Baer's excellent documentary on this subject:
    I also suggest you look up Hossein Fahmideh who is arguably the first suicide activist, a 13 year old boy who threw himself in front of an Iraqi tank and spawned similar reactions all over Iran.
     
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    You must have missed the bombings in India. Its a small country with call centers.

    LTTE al Qaeda

    http://www.svik.org/lttealqaeda.htm
     
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    Act of war, if that is the case the Japanese have your Iranians beat by 61 years.

    The youngest kamikaze pilot to die in a suicide attack was 16 years of age. ...Yukio Araki.


    One mans opinion, there are many others who disagree with his assessment of the reasoning of the suicide bomber.
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Let us hear the reasoning behind those who disagree and their evidence to support the same.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Hossein_Fahmideh

    I would be particularly interested to hear their reasoning of the suicide bombers who were Marxists, in Lebanon and Palestine.

    Like these:

     
  11. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Military action, during a war, and the Japanese beat him by 61 years, the same reasoning can be found in the Japanese Children who joined the Kamikaze Corp in Japan.
     
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    By Rod Nordland and Babak Dehghanpisheh
    Newsweek
    Aug. 13, 2007 issue - In the video that serves as his last will and testament, the youthful, well-dressed Saudi, known only as "Fatima's Fiancé," is laughing and joking with the cameraman who will record his death a few minutes later. "Pray for Allah to make my mission easy," he says, and waves as he climbs into a maroon sedan, grinning broadly. "May Allah make it easy for you," the cameraman says obligingly, and laughs. The scene cuts away to an earlier interview, where the Saudi announces that when he gets to heaven he plans to marry a woman named Fatima, who was allegedly abused in Abu Ghraib Prison. Then the scene shifts to a highway in Iraq, with a line of 18-wheelers roaring along and a red circle superimposed over the bomber's approaching car. As the music swells and the screen fills with an orange-and-black fireball, the cameraman cries, "Thanks to Allah!"
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    And? They say: Allah is great, when they are having a fight, even with friends and even while playing video games, Thanks be to God when they burp and Yallah, when they call someone. However, none of these activities are religious. It is the language usage of the place, also used by Christians and Jews who speak Arabic and refer to God as Allah.

    Its like saying Jesus H Christ! Only for some reason, Christians only use Jesus as a way to express their base feelings, while Muslims (and other Arabs) incorporate it in all parts of speech. Does that mean Christians swear for Jesus?:crazy:
     
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    Don't sound very secular to me? If you wish I can post more, there are 174,000 stories like this available, and the reasons all seem to revolve around going to Paradise, Paradise is running out of Virgins.


    Excerpts from the videos include the statements:


    We are a nation that drinks blood, and we know that there is no blood better than the blood of Jews.
    My dear mother ... wipe your tears. ... Don't let me see you sad on my wedding day with the maidens of paradise.

    Escort our souls to heaven after we fulfill this duty of crushing the descendents of monkeys and pigs.

    I hoped that the shredded limbs of my body would be shrapnel, tearing the Zionists to pieces, knocking on heaven's door with the skulls of Zionists. ... My blood shall be my path to march to heaven.

    The farewell video of Adham Ahmad Hujyla Abu Jandal was published on a Hamas website last month.
     
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    He even states that he will get to paradise for his act, not very secular, he is dieng this to get to paradise, and marry some would be virgin?
     
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    I will bow to your superior knowledge of the Arab culture and mind.

    Having spent only 5 years with them and met only Christians, Jews and Muslims who speak in the same way, I have no further opinion.
     
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    Its like a soldier dying for his medal. Nothing to do with the war or the country.
     
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    And if a Christian made the same type of statement, just before he went off and blew himself up along with a bunch of Moslems, just what do you think you would be saying? that he was only a secularist?

    The reason that your suicide bombers do these actions, is the same reason that the Japanese Kamakazi did their actions, for their Gods, and God Emperor, and the guarented entry to Nirvana, If the Moslen suicide bomber didn't have the promise of automatic entry to paridise why would he commit suicide? isn't suicide a mortal sin in Islam, and you go to hell for commiting suicide.

    Is suicide condoned in the Quran?

    Suicide
    According to Quran and Sunnah

    WWW.MUTTAQUN.COM

    The confusion on what is suicide and who may be targeted in war

    A small minority of Muslims (who are not in the category of those who have nullified their Islam*) misunderstand the word shaheed (martyr) when it comes to war and the act of suicide.

    Muslims may engage in defensive wars and if they happen to die in this way, doing it for the sake of Allah, insha'Allah they die shaheed, and as we know, a shaheed may attain paradise.


    Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 1:35, Narrated Abu Huraira

    The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause."

    Some Muslims incorrectly think that suicidal bombings during war is not suicide but an act of defensive war. They see it the same as fighting with guns or swords in a war. However, shooting in a war, one goes in with the intention NOT to die. Using oneself as a walking or flying bomb, one goes in with the intention of killing oneself (and the perceived enemy).

    Sometimes a Muslim may have enough knowledge to quote the hadith in which it was said that the companions of Prophet Muhammad (saaws) would throw their bodies on top of the Prophet and were willing to take a hit for him. However, this does not mean they were intending to kill themselves! This means they were willing to perhaps take an attack to an arm or leg to prevent death to the Prophet saaws. Or that they would shield him and escort him to safety, and by shielding him, preventing the enemy from striking at that moment since the Prophet couldn't be clearly seen in the crowd. Putting oneself at risk is not the same thing as intending to do an act that would surely kill oneself!

    As we know, the religion of Islam is based upon intentions, as we are judged according to our intentions. A good deed is not accepted by Allah if we have intentions other than doing it for the sake of Allah, or if it is not in accordance with Quran and Sunnah.

    SUICIDAL BOMBINGS ARE AN ACT OF WAR **AND** SUICIDE and therefore haram (prohibited) since suicide (INTENTIONALLY KILLING ONESELF) is such a terrible sin with terrible consequences.

    In addition, such Muslims are completely unaware of the ayat (proof) against killing women and children. Ignorance is so sad. And any haram act by any Muslim anywhere, hurts the Muslim ummah as a whole
     
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    you're not a fan of the Nuance, are you?
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I think its very easy to become what you hate in your enemy. As Gandhi said, be the change you want to see in the world.
     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    It is forbidden. Killing civilians, old people, sick people, noncombatants is also haram.

    It is a statement that you do not have faith anymore.
     

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