Do you like how Dawkins, Hitchens et al. represent atheists?

Agreed.

He's speaking truth to power. Why so reactionary? Can you prove he's an idiot somehow? What is it you don't agree with?

 

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quite so. And dickhead scientists are usually fitter than nice ones.

 

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the difference is that if someone were to behave the way he does, and be an outspoken christian author, you lot would brand him as "the next falwell"...its just the same shit he rails against, reversed.

the point is this: have i ever offended you as a result of my religious beliefs? i seriously doubt it. this is because not all spiritual people are extremists.
i would personally be the first person to stand next to an atheist to block extremist behavior, if the situation arose.

not all followers of religion brush extremism under the carpet. i was banned from my hometown synagogue for not putting up with it.

aside from all that, hitchens is a big fat turd that shouldnt get public attention, any more than jerry falwell. they are exactly the same, in my eyes.

 

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It sure would be nice if theists actually took the time, like atheists, to do some research into the others camp.

When atheists question the claims of theists, who are unable to demonstrate their claims, they are considered "idiots" when they begin to vocalize their criticisms.

It seems to be the only thing theists can muster in their defense.

Of course, you don't hear Dawkins calling theists idiots.

 

Is he shilling Jesus' pinky bone for $9.99 a shot? Selling indulgences? No.

 

Could you give a summary of how our society is run by reason and learning?

 

I don't agree. You're just saying that because you are a moderator.

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ahem...gross exaggerations, geoff my boy.

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what he does do is alienate people who might otherwise take his sensible message to heart.
pat robertson without jesus. thats all he is.
hitchens, that is.

dawkins is, as i stated above, a dickhead....but he is an intelligent dickhead that has alot to teach the average person.

 

Bollocks, my good man, bollocks.

He's stated any number of times that personal religion is a fine thing, so long as it stays personal. Watch his debate with that dolt Reverend Sharpton ("Christopher made me do it! Waah! Waah!"). He makes his position quite clear. I don't like everything Hitchens has to say, but he's dead right there and I love him for it, the big drunken teddy bear. Keep religion out of law if it's doing harm, or where it's confrontational or antagonistic.

When Hitchens starts a Sunday worldwide ministry and sells steak knives, I'll buy some of your point. Until then, I need to buy some Hitchens Steak Knives. "Razor sharp - like my wit!"

 

Christopher Hitchens vs. Al "Tawana told the truth!" Sharpton? Oh man. Please tell me you have video.

SAM:

How is Hitchens an authority figure? He's a drunk, belligerent asshole who insults and alienates people.
I think the real line here is between those who want everything to be just so very very nice and those who like a little confrontation.

And, I'm disappointed by those of you who seem to think that each individual atheist has the burden of representing all of us.

 

Seek out the prophets of video. Youtube will show you the way.

I know. I love him so. I wish I could be more like him. Three out of four; but I can't afford booze.

I think we need as atheists to speak up about people who share our lack of faith. I critique Sam sometimes on religious leaders and she's been good enough to defend each and every one, indeterminate deity bless her.

 

he already does this. they are called "books filled with ideology that he ridicules people for not having".

just like jerry falwell.

 

Yeah, but I can learn something from books. "Jesus'" thigh bone is not going to help me much. And Hitchens doesn't have a ministry show on Sundays telling everyone to buy his crap or start slapping on the InfernoBlock 3000.

 

do you think he wouldnt do it if there were a market?

 

Hey, everybody gotta get paid. But it's the threat of imminent spiritual doom hanging over the heads of the faithful that's being used as a unfair marketing tool.

 

I am so there.

Pfft learn to mix 5oClock vodka and Tang.

See, I don't get this. SAM and her co-religionists like to equate the lack of belief in God with faith, and then demand that we recognize our faith in no-god. Then they say that we have no faith in anything and are nihilistic. Then they demand that we recognize our fellow co-no-religionists and police their behavior because it speaks, apparently, for all of us.

Now, I don't remember the last time I went into a mosque with a bacon and swiss fondue and a pint of vodka and demanded that the Muslims party like it's 1999, so why the fuck do they think it's appropriate to police athiesm?

 

Har! Nice.

Anyway, I believe very strongly in my nihilism. So don't impugn me, or...meh.

 

many classy nights in my youth were spent this way.

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yes, i understand what you say here...i just happen to disagree with the lumping of everyone together the way you see fit to do.
atheists (at least here on this forum) generally do exactly what you are complaining about, but with little words like "delusional" and "nutter".

i am a practicing jew, myself, and you dont see me calling names or belittling geoff (a veritable teddy bear of cuddliness) because i disagree with his chosen lifestyle. in fact, it is a common misconception that religion is synonimous with "fire and brimstone you are going to hell infidel because you worship the wrong god or gasp dont worship anything" mindset. this is simply untrue.

to say "sam's co-religionists try to police behavior" is absurd, and intellectually dishonest.
some assholes might ruin the party for us, but please be a bit more specific before levying accusations like that, eh? you seem smarter than that.