Star Wars vs Star Trek

The Empire were the largest control group, incorporating the Sith as its leadership. The Jedi were overrun by them and were just beginning to rebuild.

And, as Kitt said, there are two ways of handling this argument, and in each SW would be at an alliance disadvantage from the onset.

 

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The Dominion is no longer a threat. Matter of fact, they might be a potential ally since Odo appeal on behalf of the Feds.

Species 8472, thanks to the brilliance of Janeway and crew are actually much more amenable to the Federation. While they parted on mutual non-interference terms, the Species representative favoured a peaceful meeting of the two powers in future.

 

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I compared it becuase the Germans had more advanced tech, but couldn't produce enough. They had the first jets, near unbreakable comm codes, and primitive NVG and thermal vision. I was correcting Lord's mistake about the Star Forge. It was destroyed, but the fact that it was produced by a faction was comparitively primitive by "modern" SW standards says something of production capability. It could produce corrupted, dark side clones, and is evidence of replicators since the thing was drawing energy from a star and converting it into Starships. Energy-to-Mass conversions is something that I'm pretty sure ST can't do.

Though the Empire was destroyed, the New Republic "inherited" its former territory after the collapse.

I think were going with the the pro-Endor era for SW, correct? Which era is it for ST?

Why will no one tell me what happened to TinFoilHat?

 

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Ah! Fair enough.

But my behavioural pattern still stands tho, for the most part.

Of course they can...they're called transporters and replicators. They have not evidenced replicators on a scale of producing whole intact hulls however.

If you mean like Green Lantern 'ooga booga' matter from imagination kinda super power, no Trek has not evidenced any similar technology.

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TinFoilHat was doing simulations a long, long, time ago on a page far,far, away......

 

Well, you might have a point that the hull would be week if the entire hull was 6 inch thick transparent steel. However your observation is pointless as we can plainly see that this is not the case.

As for your assertation of the A-wing, a several ton object composed largely of durasteel and accellerating at 5,200g would pierce many an unprotected object. Your claim that there is no way an A-wing could destoy the bridge is aking to saying that .22LR cartridge could never destroy the brain.

Incorrect, the Vong have FTL without hyperspace. However no mass does not mean the object exerts no gravity. Thus you are proven wrong again.

Small problem It takes a minimum 11 seconds minimum to lock onto a target. (Generations) Plus you have to scan the vessel in question to find the bridge. That is going to take at least twenty seconds. By then the ISD will have raised it's shields and started firing, after finishing that snack bar they were munching on

 

I doubt it, Warp does not work too well initated with in a certain radius of a planet. Ever wonder why they have to move closer to get to Standard orbit. And if they had weaons like that they would have used them.

The rifle in question had a dedicated transporter and was asnipers weapons. Widely useless as it is easily blocked with any sort of interference, including (but not limited to) shields, dense metals, radiation, and ionic interference.

 

Are you kidding? The ship would be dected by gravitc sensors and destroyed simply out of being a navigation hazard. Besides how are you going to use said guns. Stormtrooper armor is bullet proof. You can't materialize the bullet inside of some one and SW hulls/walls are made of dense materials, the very type of materials Transports don't work through

Particle shields are just microns away or run through the hull and are ALWYS on. Second the ISD in question was obviously putting all of it's shielding forward to protect from the asteroids. After all the only enemy in the field was Solo.

Okay, this is ridiculous. You are assuming that your vessels can bring down Federation shields, when the Warp core of one of the most powerful vessels ing Star trek has 1/60th the output of a single heavy Turbolaser.

Not to mention it takes your ship lowering your shields to transport, Right? You're telling me some idiot commander is going to cruise up to a ISD, come to full stop, lower shields and then use transporters to beam people aboard a vessel that is still firing weapons more powerful than it's warp core. Yeah, should work really well, they'd kill you just for suggesting such an idiot plan.

Of course they will raise their shilds to the Defiant, it is 120 meters long, same size as a Corellian Corvette. Millenium Falcon is only ~30 meters

Yeah, I do fee sorry for the poor idiots on the Defiant. Worf is too macho to run.

 

It's not an insult when it is correct. I doubt you could fined me for ad hominem. After all that is only the case if I use insults as the argument. I present my argument and the insult is just a garnish.

Actually, First Contact proved that incorrect. The ship carrying the queen was defeated by 24 vessels as opposed to the Forty that face the cube at Wolf 359. Yes, Picard had a hand in the cubes demise, however the cube was nearly crippled even before he arrived. It is most probably remainng vessels would have defeated the cube with some losses.

However the Borg have shown a definate deliberate slowness. Mainly the same reason that larger networks are slower. The conflict rate is muc too high in such a situation.

Please provide evidence that the planet had a hot core. Geothermal power is a wonderful thing, granted. However it is not usable on all planets. Even if it was, wouldn't you as Borg use that power for you Antimatter generation needs? As for why they would be on the surface, wouldn't it be wiser to have core ejection modules, hard to do that from underground.

Okay so you disagree but in a roundabout way you agree? Assimilation assumes a resisting target. If they didn't resist they would not be worth assimilation.

Hey, they have been assimilating for thousands of years. Last course of the desperate is always a physical assault. It's may be an assumption, but it fits everything we know. Don't be dense.

Ugh, I was saying the center ship was different form the other seven, don't be dense. God, everyone else got that. Thus obviously something is different about that ship.

God, do you think that somehow you might use your brain.

Thermodynamics: Energy cannot be created or destroyed.

Meaning that the very technology you propose is so hideously against the nature of reality it can only exist in your head.

You cannot amplify Energy except by adding more energy. It's just that damn simple.

I assume it is volatile becuase the best energy storage medium are volatile. M/AM, Gasoline, Hydrogen.....

I assume it is 90% of the ship becuase the particular ship in question never fires before firing that one pulse. All it does is move.

A capacitor is just an energy storing device and yes it is stable. My idea was that to prime the device (warm the damn thing up and start the beginnings of the firing sequence) the engineers may have decided on efficency and desired an outside source so all of the energy form the capacitor went to creating the beam.

Of course this little bit only make sense to people who understand how engineers might think.

Don't you get the point that the Capacitor is already charged. Most of the energy needed for this is in there already. In fact according to my thought it is all in there. The seven ships are just powering up the device and then letting the capacitor take over from there.

The minimum energy to break the gravitational binding energy of an Earth size planet is a calculatable fact. It's been proven by people on every side of the argument. If the energy could break apart a planet, then a ship that wouldn't even be noticable if it was painted hunters orange and parking above the ocean, would be atomize

Hey, when a plot device makes sense, missing the rebel scum intentionally so they can escape and lead you back to homebase, it is good. But when it flies directly in the face of the entire genre, Janeway's selfishness, then it deserves to be abhored. The only good thing that came of it is we saw just how STUPID the technical writers for the show could be. Case in point Iso means one or same. So Isoton would be one ton.

 

Actually the paralell to Germany is not bad, except Sidious was not insane. He knew how to motivate the galaxy. The Core Worlds almost universally loved him. The people had access to a fair and unbiased judicial system. Corruption in the government was practically nonexistant on the Local level.

Sidious would make it look like the Federation was the aggressor. Given his resources he would have found out about Omega Directive and faked the necessary reading on a colony world inside the Alpha Quadrant. Making sure some members of every race were they and they were supposedly working on a gift to the Federation, Sidious would have all the ammunition he would need. Federation space would be invided by a Death Star, Eclipse class Star destroyer, World Devastaors, Super Star Destroyer, thousands of Star Destroyers, and if Palaptine played his cards right joined by the Hapan fleet as well.

 

OH hell, MORE BULLSHIT! GODDAMN SCOTT GO AWAY!

When you aren't here we ACTUALLY have intelligent arguments here!

 

The book is coming pretty fine? just finish creating al caracterfiles en starting on drawing all vessels.
Don't know the guy your talking about though
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I don't really know about who has the betters sensors.
I guess St must have powerfull sensor's because otherwise it would be not be possible yo move during warp allthough i'm not quit sure about this warp thing. tomany contradictions.

SW has powerfull sensors to allthough Slave1 has jamming devices that alows Boba fett to land on allmost every planet without anyone knowing.

My best guess is that both sides sensors are equiped to find things in there own galaxy and thing they know. Maybe sensors won't work against eachother

 

Unfortunately TW, you use abrasive epithets like punctuation. The sheer number would suggest that you are a thoroughly unpleasant character with little or no upbringing and maturity whatsoever.

Rubbish.
1. Since FC progressed the way it did, you cannot know that the Cube would have lost.
2. Before Picard stepped in, Fed ships were reporting heavy losses. Twenty four ships were what was left of the original undisclosed number. Picard's residual link was instrumental in turning the tide.
3. The Cube was damaged, but nowhere near "nearly crippled".
4. The Queen had an escape route. Clearly a strategy because she was on board. When have you ever seen a mere drone use a Sphere as an escape route?

Why should I? I only presented a counter possibility to your claim. I stated no direct claim; however you did.

I'm not the Borg. I'm also not a writer of Star Trek. Unless you can provide visual/dialog or any other canon evidence of any antimatter on the planet, your evaluation is merely an assumption.

And why wouldn't you put planet-bound antimatter generators underground? Better to protect them from orbital bombardment.

Just pointing out that your statement was slightly inaccurate.

Who says anyone had the chance to physically resist in those thousands of years? You TW? Just you?

I thought the Power fomula was pretty easy to understand.

P = xV. V being potential difference. Increase potential difference, you increase Power output. The variable x would be whatever relationship is caused by the Species weapon. And since Energy is merely Power (generated) over a period of Time (20s it took to crack the planet), increasing those variables TW, follow carefully, will increase (or add) more Energy. It's just that damn simple.

Merely something to consider outside your capacitor bull$hit, which is clearly a postulation for your own convenience.

Really? Reasonable doubt TW. There are energy generation media that are less volatile than gasoline.

So what? Neither do the other seven ships. And why 90%? Maybe the 8th ship had a highly compressed, 1-meter-cubed (less than 90% of the ship), highly volatile capacitor that they couldn't risk overloading.

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Your assumptions are too great, not to mention possibly mutually exclusive.

You challenge everyone when they make Warsie assumptions in your vaunted opinion, yet you put forward wild guesses and expect us to swallow them. No wonder the others are ignoring your tactless a$$. Maybe I should start too.

All of this is TWaddle TW. If the capacitor is already charged, the seven ships required to fire it is complete, drama queen, show-womanship. A capacitor (a stable energy storage medium) does not require seven energy beams for release! Go pick up a capacitor and make a simple circuit. Let it charge, and then figure out a way to release it. I'm sure you'll find a way without using seven separate wires to feed more electricity into a full capacitor!

Gross assumption. You did not see it blow up, you have no visuals, no dialog. You don't even know how far the 8472 vessels were. You don't know that they didn't simply open a gate to fluidic space to escape the shock wave. The ships survived. That is the only assumption you can make.

HAHAHAHAHAHA "missing intentionally". Lovely. TW, you've just solidified my sympathatetic certainty of your blind faith in Wars.

 

Darth Sidious (aka Palpitine) was not insane? Does this sound sane to you?:

Does this look like the face of a psychologically balanced individual?:

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I think if the empire ever went to war agaist the federation they would either win or inflict heavy losses on the feds.seeing as how the empire has almost unlimited recorces.

 

lord305, I grant you that the Empire or New Republic or whatever would indeed be a very formidable threat against Starfleet, the Klingons and the Romulan Star Empire.

They would indeed inflict considerable damage against the folks of the Trek universe. I don't have a problem seeing that.

But don't assume that Starfleet is a pushover. The numbers game isn't the only way to win a war.

 

The Empire got owned by the Rebel alliance because of some farmboy who fancied himself a jedi. He hadn't even completed his training! I re-iterate, TEDDY BEARS kicked their ass! Sure, you have numbers, but your scout walkers aren't even as structurally sound as a modern day minivan! If that's the case, how can we assume your ATAT's are any better? They have long, FLAT, BOX sides. That is one of the WEAKEST shapes in physics!

By contrast, Star Trek shuttles and indeed almost all their starships use either a triangular shape, a round shape, or an arch shape. Three of the strongest shapes in physics.

Quality > Quantity. Yes, they may inflict moderate losses onto the Trek Coalition, but remember, Trek Captains are FAR more resourceful than Wars captains.

 

Teddy bears that had the home field advantage, Kitt. They knew the enviroment better, and had the height advantage. And the logs that hit it came from trees that are about the same size or are larger then a Calfornia Redwood. I don't think a minivan could withstand having a 5 or 6 ton log dropped on it. Also, At-ST "heads" aren't perfectly square. They have slanted. The "head" in general looks like a chinese take out box laying on its side.