Atheists turn back to God?

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  1. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    Ok, a nice picture.. Now tell me: "great" in what respect?
     
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  3. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    "great" for panel beaters I guess

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  5. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: Atheists don't turn their backs to god. They turned around because he wasn't there anyway.
     
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  7. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    atheist with the claim of direct perception of god's non-existence???

    ...... interesting

    :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
     
  8. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, but weren't you one claiming direct perception of gods existence?

    How is that not crazy?
     
  9. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    for a start its not a negative absolute

    positive claims of god's non-existence requires that one has perfect knowledge of all things (omniscience) and all times (omnipresence).

    Do I have to go further with the explanation?

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  10. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    You didn't explain it, you evaded it.
     
  11. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    I guess it requires further explanation then ...

    positive claims of god's non-existence requires that one has perfect knowledge of all things (omniscience) and all times (omnipresence).

    Given the nature of human frailties, persons claiming such direct perception of god's non-existence (or make statements that rely on the same foundation) can immediately be regarded as loony.

    satisfied?
     
  12. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    No.

    positive claims of god's existence requires that one has perfect knowledge of all things (omniscience) and all times (omnipresence).

    Given the nature of human frailties, persons claiming such direct perception of god's existence (or make statements that rely on the same foundation) can immediately be regarded as loony.

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  13. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Almost, I need to make one minor change for it make sense:

    "Given the nature of human frailties, persons claiming such direct perception of god's existence (or make statements that rely on the same foundation) can immediately be regarded as loony."

    Perfect. Thanks.
     
  14. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    no it doesn't

    BG 18.55: One can understand Me as I am, as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, only by devotional service. And when one is in full consciousness of Me by such devotion, he can enter into the kingdom of God.

    BG 18.56: Though engaged in all kinds of activities, My pure devotee, under My protection, reaches the eternal and imperishable abode by My grace.
     
  15. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    something is preventing god from revealing himself to a living entity?

    :shrug:
     
  16. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, its called non-existence..
     
  17. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    There you go with your bible quotations... you really have a mind of your own do you ?

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  18. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    so god doesn't exist because god doesn't exist.

    how cute

    sure I have a mind of my own
    I don't however call upon it to whimsically redefine existing definitions in theism anymore then I call upon it to whimsically redefine existing definitions in science

    how about you?
     
  19. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    So God exists because he exists.. how cute :bugeye:

    So you let the bible think for you, you have no opinions of your own ?
     
  20. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    no, but its a common argument put forward by atheists as the basis for god's existence

    I guess it makes them feel happy with their opinions

    meaning that I should exhibit my exclusive right of individuality by agreeing with your opinions?

    :shrug:
     
  21. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    :bugeye: I was using you style of argumentation there.

    No meaning you should use you exclusive right of individuality to agree or disagree with my opinions, considering you have no evidence.
     
  22. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    what makes you think I have no evidence?
     
  23. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Because you havent in all this time showed any of it. Lets have the evidence then..
     

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