What's more barbaric, Hunting or Dog fighting?

Yes I agree that nature does well without humans. But there are humans all over their habitat. They have changed the natural balance of things. Less wolves, less bears, less grazing ground, etc. And you know what, its called being at the top of the food chain. Its a perk of evolution.

My brother didn't go hunting for that big one. He's been hunting for 30 yrs and never gotten one like that. He wanted to put the head in his house but not only wouldn't it fit through any of his doors, it also wouldn't fit on any of his walls. He then sold it.
So he got meat to feed his wife and 3 kids and money for school clothes. I even hope he had a bit of money to go out and celebrate.

 

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Is he poor ? Doesnt he have enough money to just go buy meat at the store ?

 

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Sounds lilke some people who are too lazy to allow animals real freedom and natural food, and then hunt them personally - so they pen them up where they can get at them without inconveniencing themselves, and hire some butcher to kill them so they don't have to deal with blood or moral significance.

But they pay extra to avoid the real ugly stuff. That's nice.

Now I exaggerate, of course. But you are never going to be able to make much of a case that hunting is morally inferior to buying meat in a store - unless you see a postive moral value in the fact that stockmen and grocers don't enjoy their efforts as much as hunters: do you find virtue in lack of pleasure ? Because a slaughterhouse is a sweaty, bloody, miserable place to work, you find the killing done there morally superior to hunting ?

I see no chance of that. Swimming naked in a northern gravel lake is pretty obviously better, spiritually and physically, than swimming in bathing trunks in any chlorinated city pool, but pools are better for most people than no swimming, which is the realistic alternative.

 

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You are neatly avoiding my question.
Let me rephrase it:
If slaughterhouses and such were abandoned and everyone starts hunting again it wouldnt take long before all the hunted animals are extinct.
Do you see a problem with that ?

 

People could stop eating meat. Humans are omnivores not carnivores.
There is a difference between killing for pleasure and killing because you have to eat. If you have to kill you can kill humanely at least. Kill then butcher not the other way around.
I never cease to be amazed at the levels some humans will sink to in their cruelty as demonstrated to animals or to their fellow human beings. Awe inspiringly sickening. What's wrong with us?

 

Need I say it..... Take a look at the developed countries in Africa. Their are hardly any farms there, and most have very little yield. So most people hunt in Africa. And I have yet to see a very large amount of species in Africa go extinct from hunting. If you mention that people don't hunt when they live cities, well thats kind of obvius that they import their food.

 

Only tribes still hunt but not for all their food, they also import nowadays.
The VAST majority of people in Africa live in cities.
I have nothing against hunting for food if its neccesary. Its hunting for pleasure that i have a problem with.

Dave Tilman, ecologist at the University of Minnesota and a member of the
National Academy of Sciences:
Scientists estimate there are 10 to 30 million plant and animal species on the planet, most of them unidentified. Each year as many as 50,000 species disappear. Most die off, Tilman says, because of human activity. "We take natural habitats convert them to agriculture, to suburbia, to roads, to monoculture forestry. We fish the oceans so heavily we literally have these trolling nets that scrape the bottom of the ocean clean," he says.

 

don't it gets me all depressed

 

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http://www.well.com/~davidu/extinction.html :bawl:

Just one of the hundreds of articles found there: Earth 'will expire by 2050'

 

I figure I'd jump in an piss some people off.

Dog fighting is definitely more barbaric than hunting.

Enmos---the quote you posted has nothing to do with hunting, as all of the recreational hunting (in the US, Canada, and Europe, at least) is very tightly regulated.

I love to hunt and can't wait for November when I will go back to Texas and kill deer and hogs so that I will have good sausage for the next year.

I was tempted to put a picture of me skinning a deer here, but I am late for work.

 

The quote is relevant if you have read the rest of the posts.

 

Thanks enmos now I'm really depressed.
However, I was reading about Chernobyl the other day and just how fine and dandy all the animals are in the absence of the human variety. Well not quite fine and dandy but.....making the best of a bad situation. I think when we've gone all the creatures will come out of hiding and breath a collective sigh of relief.

 

I think so too, only that isnt really going to happen.

 

because....?

 

Well at least not for a long time, i dont expect humanity to go extinct anytime soon.

 

WHAT!?
Its ok to get meat from a chicken factory, pig warehouse, or feedlot, but not to go hunt something out in the wild?

Which of those animals had a better life and if going to have a better death?
hypocrit.

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I agree that hunting all the animals to extinction would be a bad thing, and we shouldn't do it.

What does that have to do with the topic here?

 

Granted, we drifted from the topic somewhat.
The discussion has taken off in the direction of why hunting is or isnt a bad thing. Since this is what people seem to disagree about the most.
But you have to admit the topic doesnt really invite for much of a discussion.

 

enmos, the sheer quality of fresh wild hunted game meat is much higher than industrial factory/farm meats.

you are saying its ok to eat meat that other people have killed, 90% of the time the animals are prisoners and lead horrible lives. why is it good to eat mass produced meat sold in your local supermarket? yet bad to eat the meat you have killed skinned and prepared yourself?.

i think you would happily consume meat that comes in a nice little plastic container. but you would not like to kill the animal, skin and gut it yourself, because you see the meat you eat has a face and a life. modern humans dont like the idea of connecting the meat they buy with a walking living animal that was killed.

people will gladly eat supermarket meat without a face, but when it comes to a real live walking furry animal people suddenly apply a moral value to the life. they feel guilty and cant face the reality of killing other life forms for food.

i have killed many animals, some with my bare hands. you see every stage and honour the animal. doing it all myself makes me respect the life that the animal lived. because i go through the emotions of the animals death, what respect do people pay to the pack of meat thats in the supermarket?, they just buy it, take it home,cook it and eat it. without even giving the animals life a mere thought for a second.


i think buying meat from a supermarket already chooped skinned etc is worse than hunting it yourself. simply for the honour alone,you pay no respect to the dead meat you buy. you might think "im gratefull for this food" but what emotion have you really goen through? in what way have you respected that animal that died for you to live?.

and i personaly dont ever hunt with guns, in my opinion it takes alot more skill and experience to hunt with a bow.


peace.

 

There is a difference in killing WILD animals and buying meat from the store. Although others have killed the animals they werent wild animals. It is somewhat of a neccesary evil though.

So you are suggesting we all go hunting ? Any idea how long the animal populations would last?.. ill answer that, not very long.