It's the mammal thing. Warm-blooded, air-breathing. Beats gills and cold blood every time because pound-for-pound their bodies simply get more oxygen and generate more energy, not to mention intelligence. Check out the whole thread. Bonding as a pack and hunting cooperatively is one of the inherent advantages of the superior intelligence of warm-blooded animals.
So you're saying that, if Mike Tyson were to politely ask Stephen Hawking to stop eyeing up his lady, Hawking would be the one to stagger away from the resulting bloodbath? On account of his warm blood and superior intelligence? Get real. Intelligence is overrated, and never more so than when the boots and fins are flying. I still think Orca would win. But it would be because it's a big, fat, hard bastard - not because it regularly performs better on IQ tests. OK, I see your point about group hunting - but the premise of the thread is that the fight is a 1-on-1. Besides, everyone knows that, when it's time to get mediaeval, your mates are only there to (a) keep watch for the police; and (b) stop the fight when your opponent starts looking like a Picasso painting. To do more is surely to break some unwritten law of the sea. And in response to all this murderous gang activity, the LAPD are doing... what?
humans have nothing useful when it comes to survival in the wild except their brains, and are the top predator on earth. I have never seen a captive human performing a show for a bunch of sharks or killer whales. A comparatively equipped animal that is smarter will figure out a way to win.
the great white must continue to move as that is the way it processes oxygen. an orca can stop and turn on the spot. that gives the orca a tactical advantage knowing the shark must make passes and can only attack for a limited time span until it must continue to move. Also i think sharks get a build up of some chemicals in their muscles if they do not move properly, these chemicals i think are released and processed during attacking. all this is fairly rusty info form a long time ago. BUT... all things considered i suspect the orca would have far superior intelegence and a manouverability advantage. however the great white shark would have the ability to damage with its tail and teeth as it can cut and slash deep wounds with just its tail. i am not sure which can swim faster. the match would have to include age of both as intellegence in both wold be accumulative based on age. generaly i doubt either would attack the other as it would perceive the threat and reward concept to be too dangerous to survival.
Look at fights between porpoises and crocodiles, mammal vs. reptile. Unlike fish, reptiles breathe air and crocs even have limbs to maneuver with and claws to fight with. But they're still cold-blooded and their bodies can't produce as much energy as a mammal or a bird. It's no contest. I agree that intelligence is not generally the greatest asset to a predator, except for some very specific left-brain specialties like being able to calculate trajectories in real time. Among mammals and birds it is usually the omnivores who evolve the greatest intelligence: Rodents, crows, bears, grosbeaks. An opportunistic feeding habit selects for curiosity and adventurousness, both hallmarks of intelligence. Apes, who graze, and the aquatic mammals, most of whom hunt, seem to be counterexamples, but I have discussed this in other threads. Living in the three-dimensional universe of water or the trees, where up and down are as important as front, back, left and right, appears to stimulate the development of vastly more complex thinking, just as it would in a computer program that had to master 3-D chess. Nonetheless, other things being equal, intelligence is statistically an advantage in a conflict, if only for knowing when to run away. That--and the sense to have his nurse, lawyer and bodyguard behind him--would certainly save Stephen Hawking from being further disabled by removal of an ear. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Unless we are talking about a proven design such as crocodiles. They are very good at what they do. Same for sharks. Perhaps the great white is not specifically designed to tackle an almost adult orca and because his behavioural patterns are limited this is his downfall. The orca is much more flexible. He has a robust design and is not limited to a narrow set of strategies.
There would be no winner or loser as none of them would be willing risk injerys fighting such a fight. It's only humans that fight for fun.
Well, i think the shark will be victorious. Maybe orca is more massive, but great white is much more powerful and deadly. I have seen the video where three female orcas were traying to kill a sea lion. The sea lion weighs around 250 Kg and orcas somewhat 6000 kg, despite this fact it was hard job for them to kill that animal. They were traying to kill it by beating him with their massive heads , so finally sea lion was axhausted and drowned after 6 minutes of struggleing. Now... Great white is 10 times bigger then the sea lion and 20 times more dangerous, and its bites are terrible, most deadly on earth, it can not be drowned and in fact if something goes wrong for the shark, it can just swim away, swim down in the deep and stay there as long as it's necessary, so even if it can't win orca won't be able to chase the shark. By the way the great white shark doesn't need 6 minutes to kill the sea lion... just a few seconds.
Well, i think the shark will be victorious. Maybe orca is more massive, but great white is much more powerful and deadly. I have seen the video where three female orcas were traying to kill a sea lion. The sea lion weighs around 250 Kg and orcas somewhat 6000 kg, despite this fact it was hard job for them to kill that animal. They were traying to kill it by beating him with their massive heads , so finally sea lion was axhausted and drowned after 6 minutes of struggleing. Now... Great white is 10 times bigger then the sea lion and 20 times more dangerous, and its bites are terrible, most deadly on earth, it can not be drowned and in fact if something goes wrong for the shark, it can just swim away, swim down in the deep and stay there as long as it's necessary, so even if it can't win orca won't be able to chase the shark. By the way the great white shark doesn't need 6 minutes to kill the sea lion... just a few seconds.
Well, i think the shark will be victorious. Maybe orca is more massive, but great white is much more powerful and deadly. I have seen the video where three female orcas were traying to kill a sea lion. The sea lion weighs around 250 Kg and orcas somewhat 6000 kg, despite this fact it was hard job for them to kill that animal. They were traying to kill it by beating him with their massive heads , so finally sea lion was axhausted and drowned after 6 minutes of struggleing. Now... Great white is 10 times bigger then the sea lion and 20 times more dangerous, and its bites are terrible, most deadly on earth, it can not be drowned and in fact if something goes wrong for the shark, it can just swim away, swim down in the deep and stay there as long as it's necessary, so even if it can't win orca won't be able to chase the shark. By the way the great white shark doesn't need 6 minutes to kill the sea lion... just a few seconds.
Well, i think the shark will be victorious. Maybe orca is more massive, but great white is much more powerful and deadly. I have seen the video where three female orcas were traying to kill a sea lion. The sea lion weighs around 250 Kg and orcas somewhat 6000 kg, despite this fact it was hard job for them to kill that animal. They were traying to kill it by beating him with their massive heads , so finally sea lion was axhausted and drowned after 6 minutes of struggleing. Now... Great white is 10 times bigger then the sea lion and 20 times more dangerous, and its bites are terrible, most deadly on earth, it can not be drowned and in fact if something goes wrong for the shark, it can just swim away, swim down in the deep and stay there as long as it's necessary, so even if it can't win orca won't be able to chase the shark. By the way the great white shark doesn't need 6 minutes to kill the sea lion... just a few seconds.
I don't believe that for one second. Not the killing part, the revenge part. How on earth do they know it was the same shark and the same killer whale?? and do orcas really torture their prey or are they training their young? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBF9cDBUakA
All of you people who committed thread necromancy should at least have the decency to go back and read the original discussion. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Warm-blooded air-breathing animals (mammals and birds) absolutely rule in the water. They get more oxygen! So pound-for-pound, their muscles are stronger and their brains are smarter than reptiles, amphibians, fish, or primitive cartilaginous quasi-fish like sharks and eels. Sure, a seal might get lucky and give an orca a run for the money. They are mammals--warm-blooded air breathers--too, with the strength and cleverness that implies. Not only that but unlike the cetaceans they still have arms and legs to maneuver with which probably makes them a tiny bit more nimble in close quarters. Nonetheless, orcas do indeed eat seals for breakfast, as well as lunch and dinner. That one got really lucky.
Oh yes, the Orca would win.. no doubt! Some Orca's even set out to kill Great Whites to get rid of the competition.
