The twisted mind that calls the above "justice" cannot be right vis-a-vis the "Palestinian" question. [EDIT: and the Lebanese and Syrian and American too] It isn't a side issue. It's the issue. The less religious segment of Iranians don't mind being friends with the US or Israel (as long as a solution fair to both sides is arrived at). It is the Islamic Revolution that has started this horrible process of deteriorations of relations between Iran and all of its neighbours in the Gulf, not just the US and Israel. So it is the central problem that causes all the rest of them. That couldn't be farther from the truth.
In the Kansas territories, according to a random blurb years ago in a column by L. M. Boyd, they once hanged a cow for sorcery. And popular legend still persists that folks in England once hanged a monkey on charges of being a French spy. (The locals apparently revel in the legend.) The point is that idiotic assertions of justice are often the results of ignorance (hanging a monkey as a French spy) and high superstition (hanging a cow for sorcery). In the Puritan days on the North American continent, people were slowly crushed under piles of stones in a witch-hunt that started with young girls lying to get out of trouble with their parents, and, when the dust settled, appeared to be more about a property fight than witchery. If we reach back to the Inquisitions, well, there you go. This is one of the problems with tampering with communities. If you do something to hold them back, they won't develop socially with the rest of the world. Hangings and stonings in places like Iran may seem as savage as the Inquisitions or the French Terror, but this sort of thing is hardly unexpected when major world powers (the U.S., for example) spend so much effort on preventing social development in other countries. So while we recoil in disgust and mutter to ourselves, "How horrible are these people?" we must consider the broader factor. I look around at my nation, the United States, and remind myself that our luxury is dependent on maintaining a large poverty class worldwide, the perpetuation of mass human suffering, and, in the end, backward and superstitious assertions of life, reality, and justice. I don't see savage Muslims or evil Iranians in that video. I see fellow human beings in desperate need of genuine help.
Good point tiassa. The 25 years the Iranians spend under the Savak which culminted in the revolution of the mullahs, the only surviving group under the Shah; followed by the continuous non-stop sanctions against Iran since 1979 are ample instances of such repression.
Apologists for that kind of barbarity often invoke things that were done by "white," "Christian people" centuries or even millenia ago. That's the thing - we're not in the midevil times. We're in 2007. That's B.S. of course. During the colonial and post-colonial periods the western world had tried to do the opposite of that -- to provide progress to parts of the world where there was none. To teach them modern economics, modern medicine, arts, culture, etc. how is that "preventing social development"? The problem is that these things were rejected by these peoples. They said "who needs your 'advanced' culture? what's wrong with our own?" And that argument is completely legitimate. The apologist should stop trying to find "some hidden reason" where there is none. Jimmy, as much as he fucked up during his term, is not responsible for these savage acts. Why is it so hard to accept? The leftist internationalists refuse to admit that some people are backwards, and it's no one's fault. That sounds like Karl Marx. It is also completely false. You and I and our shopping habbits are not responsible for these people's deaths.
for example? and let's make a distinction between people trying to overthrow their government (which is a political fight, which can be brutal in any country), and the cultural rules that are present during a state of peace, such as the rules of stoning adulterous women (with stones not too big, for they will kill too fast, and not too small, for they aren't painful enough -- as the Imam Khomenei himself wrote)
Well, what particular "sin"? If they were murderers, then good for them. I'd like to know what they in fact did to deserve this punishment.
Does it matter? Wouldn't make particular difference if these 3 actually murdered someone (though I doubt they did) because in Iran, rape victims and adulterers typically get executed like that (or by stoning.)
You doubt they did? Of course you doubt it, because it makes hating Iran easier for you. Listen, from what I can tell, we don't know what they did, so how can we fairly comment? We can't.
If they execute murderers or rapists like that, I really couldn't care less. The video of this execution is a typical representation of what gays, adulterers, and sometimes even retarded rape victims get in Iran. That's what this topic is about.
Well, I don't think it was homosexuality, because there was a girl there. I don't think it was adultery because there were three people (I doubt a threesome, to be honest. Very infrequent). "Retarded rape victims" are sentenced to hanging by Iran's law? You most definitely need to source this. There is no explanation for their hanging, so the best we can do is speculate. You're assuming the worst-case scenario for their executions, which is an immediate sign of bias. Until we are given authentic reasoning for their deaths, this thread serves no purpose. For all we know, they could be murderers. Case closed.
Apologist, your would have done well working for P.M.Chamberlan just before Hitler screwed the world.
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1 - these 3 are not necessarily involved in the same crime. 2 - I am not assuming the worst case scenario, I'm assuming the typical-case scenario. And I'll repeat for the extra special among us: it doesn't matter what these 3 have done. The topic is about TYPICAL cases. In Iran, a person involved in homosexual acts gets arrested, convicted, and executed every time. And what you see in the video is exactly the treatment they get. Get it? Maybe you'd like me to find a stoning video of an adulteress for you before you believe that these happen? 3 - here's your sourcing: http://commentary.co.za/?p=1408. follow the links inside that link to dig deeper. that link is a bit emotional... if you want dry style reporting of the same thing, here's another link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...an19.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/12/19/ixworld.html
