sandy: answer these claims against Christianity

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by Kadark, Jun 27, 2007.

Page 13 of 19
  1. Adstar

    Adstar Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,782
    You ingnore the differance between being rightious in Spirit and being rightious in the Flesh.

    We cannot be good but we can agree with what is good. Paul explains the difference in Romans 7/8.


    All Praise The Ancient Of Days
     
    Adstar, Jul 12, 2007
    #241

  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. Adstar

    Adstar Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,782

    2 Peter 3
    8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    How quickly people forget.


    All Praise The Ancient Of Days
     
    Adstar, Jul 12, 2007
    #242

  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. James R

    James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

    Messages:
    39,426
    The Lord doesn't seem to be too clear on what time is.
     
    James R, Jul 12, 2007
    #243

  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. TruthSeeker

    TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    15,162
    TruthSeeker, Jul 12, 2007
    #244
  8. Adstar

    Adstar Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,782
    Oh He is clear all right. It's just that limited minds cannot comprehend the answer and like a monkey who cannot figure out a mechanical contraption throws it away to go and play with a stick.

    When people cannot comprehend they declare it illogical and nonsense.
     
    Adstar, Jul 12, 2007
    #245
  9. James R

    James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

    Messages:
    39,426
    That's an easy out, Adstar. But even God must be bound by logic. He cannot assert that, at the same time, by "day" he means "a thousand years" AND by "a thousand years" he means "a day", unless the two concepts are supposed to be equivalent. In which case, why waste words. Call it a "day" and be done with it. The problem is that humans have two distinct words: "day" and "year", which God obviously gets confused.

    God should try to be clearer, don't you think? He doesn't express himself very well to his Creation.
     
    James R, Jul 12, 2007
    #246
  10. Adstar

    Adstar Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,782
    No God does not need to be bound by logic or the time scales of this universe. Have fun with your scientific stick.

    Jude 1
    10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves.

    All Praise The Ancient Of Days
     
    Adstar, Jul 12, 2007
    #247
  11. SetiAlpha6

    SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,283

    Jesus clearly taught in the Bible, and Paul clearly understood and interpreted Jesus’ words to mean, that the return of Christ would be imminent, even within the lifetime of those who were then present and alive, not two thousand plus years from then. They all died without seeing the return of Christ so these prophecies are false.

    Best Wishes, Adstar!
     
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2007
    SetiAlpha6, Jul 12, 2007
    #248
  12. sandy

    sandy Banned Banned

    Messages:
    7,926
    I disagree. No one knows when Jesus will return for His children. The Bible specifically says He will come like a thief in the night. (By surprise.)

    http://www.cynet.com/jesus/PROPHECY/thief.htm

    The Bible is scaring the cr@p out of some people now. Every time a new prophecy comes to pass, they realize He is coming back soon. :bravo:
     
    sandy, Jul 12, 2007
    #249
  13. TruthSeeker

    TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    15,162
    AHHHH!!! I'M SO SCARED!!!!! :runaway: :runaway:

    I'm a christian anyways, so who cares?

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
    TruthSeeker, Jul 12, 2007
    #250
  14. GeoffP

    GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    22,087

    ? Which prophesies?
     
    GeoffP, Jul 12, 2007
    #251
  15. TruthSeeker

    TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    15,162
    Her big ugly face taking over the world?

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!



    I dunno! :shrug:
     
    TruthSeeker, Jul 12, 2007
    #252
  16. GeoffP

    GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    22,087
    Come on, play nice, you two. I swear I'm turning this forum around if everyone doesn't start getting along right now.
     
    GeoffP, Jul 12, 2007
    #253
  17. TruthSeeker

    TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    15,162
    Sorry. It's irresistable...


    Must..... not....... type........ ARRRRGH!!!!

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
    TruthSeeker, Jul 12, 2007
    #254
  18. GeoffP

    GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    22,087
    "Oy! Now we's goin' ter a vacation in Brighton, and there isn't to be any trouble until we gets there! Is that understood?"

    Ah, fathers.

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
    GeoffP, Jul 12, 2007
    #255
  19. Enterprise-D

    Enterprise-D I'm back! Warp 8 Mr. Worf! Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,898
    Why is doing anything like a thief in the night admirable?

    Which prophecies in the bible have been realised? I don't need you to tell me 'none' cause I already know that.
     
    Enterprise-D, Jul 12, 2007
    #256
  20. GeoffP

    GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    22,087
    The thief in the night thing means that it creeps up on you. Like a boss in your cubicle just as the asian porn page is loading.
     
    GeoffP, Jul 12, 2007
    #257
  21. SetiAlpha6

    SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,283

    Thank you Sandy!

    Your point is valid, in that, no one was supposed to know the exact day or hour. I agree with you on this! But that does not invalidate what I said in any way.

    Both Jesus and Paul taught that, regardless of knowing the exact day or hour, the return of Christ would occur within the lifetimes of those that heard them speak and that is why it is false prophecy.

    What does the phrase, "right at the door", mean to you, Sandy? Two thousand years and counting?

    The following are the most vague examples I can think of. They just get clearer from here on.

    Revelation 3:11
    ' I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown.

    Revelation 22:7
    "And behold, I am coming quickly Blessed is he who heeds the words of the prophecy of this book."

    Revelation 22:12
    "Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.

    Revelation 22:20
    He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly" Amen Come, Lord Jesus.

    What, in your view, did Paul really teach on this topic?

    Take Care!
     
    SetiAlpha6, Jul 12, 2007
    #258
  22. mikenostic

    mikenostic Stop pretending you're smart! Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,624
    When Christians can't explain what god is doing, they declare that it's god's logic and humans can't understand it.

    I will admit that until you mentioned that in another thread, I hadn't heard that apology before. I usually hear:
    -"The lord works in mysterious ways"
    -"It's god's will"
    -"No one can know god's will"

    I will have to give you an A for apologetic creativity there though.
     
    mikenostic, Jul 12, 2007
    #259
  23. Medicine*Woman

    Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,346
    *************
    M*W: When has any prophecy come to pass?
     
    Medicine*Woman, Jul 12, 2007
    #260
Page 13 of 19

Share This Page