Bottled Water vs. Tap Water

Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by sandy, Jul 10, 2007.

  1. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    This is crazy, bottled water and tap are the same damn thing, H20. Now I know James R will agree with me on this, I know he likes me lots and is totally in my corner here... ya see tap water is bottled, molecularly they're identical. The problem is stupid dorks are thinking there is a huge difference, let me ask ya just how filtered and clean is bottled water that's basically been hauled in a tank miles an miles when the tanks likely never cleaned and stuff? Give me a freakin break ppl, you have water treatment plants precisely because it's easier / safer.

    I'm sick of seeing bottled water for sale, they should give it away to ppl instead of selling the stuff, it's basically free anyway. I doubt Fuji water or some other pathetic brand is actually brought all the way from the ends of the Earth and kept totally free of stuff, this is stupid

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    PS Just go see what water is being treated, when you see it you'll understand how it's sooo much better lol

    So stop buying bottled water and live with tap. Do a blind test, mix tap and different bottled waters, on the bottoms write which kind it is. You'll soon learn there's no difference except in your imagination!
     
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  3. sandy Banned Banned

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    I've done the tests. There is plenty of difference. Actual water quality tests proved it.

    Tap water tastes awful. Smells terrible. Once I drank bottled water I never wanted tap again.

    And I can tell the difference.
     
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  5. dixonmassey Valued Senior Member

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    I"ve seen nothing like this. You've drunk water from deep wells made by drilling. The well on the picture is relatively shallow 10-20 meters, it's made by digging with shovel and gradual stacking short tubes on each other, i.e. water there is "naturally filtered" and rich in minerals making it tasty. Water from the deep drilled wells can contain natural poisons like arsenic and sulphur, because it was sitting underground for very long time to dissolve undisolvable.
     
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  7. mikenostic Stop pretending you're smart! Registered Senior Member

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    Awww. You're sooo cute when you're mad.

    As for personal attacks, I tell you what. Why don't you curb your whining and bitching and I'll lay off the supposed personal attacks?
    And by definition, unless I called you a name directly, there is no personal attack. You're like the little sister who constantly picks on and antagonizes her big brother but runs and tells mom when brother retaliates.
    "Waaaa. Waaaaa. Sciforums members are always personally attacking me. Waaaa. I don't know why."

    In addition, I also made a statement that directly correlates to the topic of this thread.
    Allow me to fill you in, since it seems to have went right over your head.
    You don't like tap water. Fine. I agree with you that there is a difference between it and filtered water. But, aside from taste, that's where it ends. Britta and PUR have been staples in the filtered water community. Tap water that goes through their filters is no less pure than bottled water from Wal Mart. SO, when you start making statements belittling filtered tap water, when it's no less pure than the bottled water, the only thing left for you to whine about, is the taste.

    *grabs tub of popcorn and soda and waits for Sandy to respond accusing me of more personal attacks

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  8. John99 Banned Banned

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    hmm, guess it was similar to in the picture only they use pumps to distribute it.

    You get used to the smell and the taste.
     
  9. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    All filters are definitely not equal. Brita, which I prefer, pretty much takes out only the chlorine. Pur, which my wife prefers, takes out practically everything, including even some nasty bacteria. That spans the entire gamut from barely filtered to completely filtered. I'm sure if you keep trying you'll find an under-the-sink filter that you like the taste of.
    Back when the bottled water craze first started, Consumer Reports did a blindfold-test of all the major brands. (You could do that back then, there weren't ten thousand of them.) The winner? Well they threw in a ringer without telling anybody: New York City tap water. I can't believe the city hasn't gotten into the act and begun marketing it. Just shows you how poor the lefties are at economics.

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    I think you're all right in that regard if you just drink the water no matter how long it takes to finish it, even if you put in in the fridge overnight. The problem is that people reuse the bottles for weeks or months and that is a statistical health risk.
    Well remember: All you need to do to obtain water that satisfies every legal defintion of "purified" is to open your tap! We have absolutely no way of knowing whether some of those bottled brands were filled from a municipal tap and you're paying for the fancy label and the profits.
    That's irrational risk analysis. Sure, you can reduce your risk of being killed by your imperfect municipal environment by .00000001% or something like that by not drinking the municipal water. But as you've noted, bottled water is deliberately sold in easily degradable bottles and they don't wait until you throw them away to start degrading. There's some chemicals you don't want in your body, and does anybody here have enough data to calculate the relative risk of those two water sources? But look at the economics. Bottled water is the biggest ripoff since they realized that people would pay for Windows. Venerable old companies like Nestle have launched bottled water divisions that almost bring in more income--at an astronomical profit margin since it's just frelling water--than their traditional lines of business. Look at all the money that is being spent on bottled water. What if all those environmentally conscious, health-aware, fashion-trendy, advertising-gullible consumers simply donated that money to the charity of their choice? Maybe one water drinker per century would die from the poisons in tap water, but they could save the lives of millions of starving Third World babies. How's that for rational risk analysis?
    Nothing works in DC. It doesn't have a state! It is run directly by the federal government. What do you expect??? NoVa is totally dysfunctional. The state government in Richmond is dominated by traditional rednecks, who don't feel like making life pleasant for the Yankees, black people, immigrants, college graduates, and other undesirables who live in the D.C. suburbs of Fairfax and Arlington County and work for the DamnYankee government. Their transportation system, storm drains, water supply, everything is totally screwed up and the state goverment loves it that way. I live in my home away from home right across the river in Montgomery County, MD, and we have some of the best water in the country, from the same source!
    Sandy, your making peace with the principles of this forum and becoming a respectable member is duly noted. If people are still hanging onto some of the things you said when you were new here... well we all have to deal with the consequences of things we've done in the past. My advice to you is to simply ignore these comments, act like you didn't even notice them. If you don't entertain people by making angry responses to their jibes, they'll get tired of posting them. Not to mention if the moderators see someone making personal attacks against a member who is so scrupulously polite that she doesn't even talk back, guess who will get busted? Irony can be delicious.

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  10. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    i filter my evian.

    peace.
     
  11. Xelios We're setting you adrift idiot Registered Senior Member

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    I just drink tap water. We have one of the best water treatment plants in Canada, in fact Coke has a bottling plant here. They buy the city's tap water, filter it one more time and then bottle it as Dasani. So if you're wondering where that crisp, refreshing bottle of Dasani "purified water" comes from; out of the taps in Calgary, AB (or Brampton, Ontario as they have a plant there too).

    No chlorine either, the city uses UV radiation to kill any bacteria left after the filtering.
     
  12. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    its just water i drink tap water all the time. most bottle water is just tap water in a bottle with a fancy label most of the difference in taste is purely a mental thing they do not really taste different. the less filtered water i drink on my grandparents farm taste the same as the more filtered water i get in alpharetta,GA
     
  13. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    I drink evian water, not for the taste, I just want to know if there's ever a drought in france I'm doing my bit!

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  14. MacGyver1968 Fixin' Shit that Ain't Broke Valued Senior Member

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    Tap water here in Dallas tastes fine. I guess it's where you live. Just 100km to the east, there are lots of sulphur deposits, making the water smell like...well...ass. No one drinks it.

    I've heard of dentists being worried about the lack of fluoride in bottled water....That kids might get more tooth decay. Not sure if that true.

    Plus all those plastic bottles ending up in the landfills...I wonder how long they take to break down.
     
  15. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    I think just about any dentist anywhere will agree with that, and I have no reason to disagree with them. Fluoridated water made a quantum improvement in America's dental health. However, fluoridation has always been controversial and its critics are not all pseudoscientists. It's a matter of risk analysis. Is the benefit of better teeth worth the cost of... well that's where I get hung up. I'm not entirely clear on the dangers of fluoride.
    Those have Recycling Triangle Number One on them so they are the least sturdy plastic. That's the reason they're dangerous to re-use, they start to break down spontaneously. Considering that a lot of our trash will last tens of thousands of years and some even longer, water bottles will break down in a much shorter time. They need to set up a deposit system on plastic bottles like they do on glass bottles and aluminum cans, at least in California. Homeless people scour the landscape for those things and line up at the recycling machines for their nickel.
     
  16. MacGyver1968 Fixin' Shit that Ain't Broke Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks FR for the info..I just assumed anything made to hold water would last a long time....a really long time....longer than a international flight sitting next to Rosie O'donnell.

    I tell you what..that's a f-ing great idea right there.
     
  17. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    From today's Washington Post:
    I'll bet the customers can't wait for the return of its usual taste.

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  18. scorpius a realist Valued Senior Member

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    theres a secret to make it taste good,boil it for 10 minutes(that will kill anything) then store it in the frig.
    just what kind of plastic are they using ?

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    the plastic water botles we have in Canada dont deteriorate ever.
    sure there are,ask a certified water well drillers.

    btw Ive heard that most bottled water comes from a tap anyway,those fancy names like Pure spring or Glacier pure etc are just marketing BS to sucker people like you to spend big $$ on something you can get for free at home

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  19. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    A couple of weeks ago the Pepsi-Cola company made a public announcement that its Aquafina brand of bottled water is in fact tap water. As I pointed out in an earlier post, any municipal water supply in America satisfies the legal definition of "purified water."

    The Aquafina revelation merely illustrates the point that not all purified water tastes alike. As I also said earlier, there are several home purification systems on the market that can be installed under the sink. I suspect that almost every bottled water enthusiast could find one of these that satisfies his taste buds, and save hundreds of dollars per year.

    Be sure to do a scientific test, with an accomplice and a blindfold. The flavor of water is very subtle compared to most of the things we put in our mouths, and our perception of it is highly influenced by other factors such as expectations. As I also noted, when Consumer Reports did a blindfold test, the majority of the "experts" chose New York City tap water.
     
  20. sandy Banned Banned

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    Bringing this thread back because I've discovered the best water ever. It's "Penta" and it's bottled right here in CA. It's the best-tasting, most refreshing water I've ever had. A bit pricey but well-worth it.

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    http://www.pentawater.com/
     
  21. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    Nothing beats H2O
     
  22. sandy Banned Banned

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    It's a big business that I used to think was a crock but after having various samples of water tested, I'm sold. Penta is best.
     
  23. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Reverse Osmosis type of filtering is by far the best and does a superior job

    compaired to any other types of filtration systems available today.

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Reverse osmosis is a separation process that uses pressure to force a solvent through a membrane that retains the solute on one side and allows the pure

    solvent to pass to the other side. More formally, it is the process of forcing a solvent from a region of high solute concentration through a membrane to a

    region of low solute concentration by applying a pressure in excess of the osmotic pressure. This is the reverse of the normal osmosis process, which is the

    natural movement of solvent from an area of low solute concentration, through a membrane, to an area of high solute concentration when no external

    pressure is applied. The membrane here is semipermeable, meaning it allows the passage of solvent but not of solute.

    The membranes used for reverse osmosis have a dense barrier layer in the polymer matrix where most separation occurs. In most cases the membrane is

    designed to allow only water to pass through this dense layer while preventing the passage of solutes (such as salt ions). This process requires that a high

    pressure be exerted on the high concentration side of the membrane, usually 2–17 bar (30–250 psi) for fresh and brackish water, and 40–70 bar (600–1000

    psi) for seawater, which has around 24 bar (350 psi) natural osmotic pressure which must be overcome.


    This process is best known for its use in desalination (removing the salt from sea water to get fresh water), but has also purified naturally occurring

    freshwater for medical, industrial process and rinsing applications since the early 1970s.



    I recommend ..

    http://www.watervalue.com/aquaro.html
     

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